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Local High School Star
The reversed 1-9 ratio; posters to alts
Is 9-1 an accurate ratio of actual human posters to alt accounts here?
Higher? Lower?
Do alts act as Pippen, thereby allowing the original human poster to metaphorically chuck away, gamble of games, and punch teammates?
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: The reversed 1-9 ratio; posters to alts
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Thread Cliffs
it's random chance that Jordan's 30-40 win teams were in the 8 vs 1 matchup against the champion Celtics, while lebron's 30-40 win teams were 9 seeds and avoided the 04' Pistons or 19' Warriors.. lebron only had high seeds in the playoffs and never had to carry his really bad teams teams/low-seeds like Jordan did.
It's funny that Jordan is bad for needing an 8-point rookie to make the 2nd Round, but it's okay for lebron to miss the 05' playoffs with the East all-star center, and need further additions make it in 06' (the coy and a 22/5/5 all-defender).
Or it's bad for Jordan to go 1-9 with 8 seeds, but it's okay for lebron to go 3-16 with 2 seeds, including the goat choke, a sweep and the record loss
2ND OPTION EXAMPLE... 87' bulls (oakley) < 05' Cavs (all-star zydrunas)... but the 87' bulls randomly made the 8 seed and were forced to face the goat Celtics, while the 05' Cavs avoided the champion Pistons as the 9 seed.... again, lebron only made the playoffs with high seeds and didn't have to carry his worst teams as low seeds like Jordan did
Last edited by 3ball; 12-05-2020 at 01:34 AM.
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Lol
Re: The reversed 1-9 ratio; posters to alts
Originally Posted by 3ball
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Thread Cliffs
it's random chance that Jordan's 30-40 win teams were in the 8 vs 1 matchup against the champion Celtics, while lebron's 30-40 win teams were 9 seeds and avoided the 04' Pistons or 19' Warriors.. lebron only had high seeds in the playoffs and never had to carry his really bad teams teams/low-seeds like Jordan did.
It's funny that Jordan is bad for needing an 8-point rookie to make the 2nd Round, but it's okay for lebron to miss the 05' playoffs with the East all-star center, and need further additions make it in 06' (the coy and a 22/5/5 all-defender).
Or it's bad for Jordan to go 1-9 with 8 seeds, but it's okay for lebron to go 3-16 with 2 seeds, including the goat choke, a sweep and the record loss
2ND OPTION EXAMPLE... 87' bulls (oakley) < 05' Cavs (all-star zydrunas)... but the 87' bulls randomly made the 8 seed and were forced to face the goat Celtics, while the 05' Cavs avoided the champion Pistons as the 9 seed.... again, lebron only made the playoffs with high seeds and didn't have to carry his worst teams as low seeds like Jordan did
You’re a Lunatic.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: The reversed 1-9 ratio; posters to alts
Originally Posted by RRR3
You’re a Lunatic.
That's what I want you to say...
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Professor Objectivity
Re: The reversed 1-9 ratio; posters to alts
Jordan's success will forever be tied to 1 human.
Scottie Pippen
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: The reversed 1-9 ratio; posters to alts
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PLAYOFFS PPG
1988 McHale.... 25.4
1988 Bird.......... 24.5
2011 Wade...... 24.5
2011 Lebron.... 23.7
2020 AD........... 27.8
2020 Lebron.... 27.7
2016 Kyrie....... 25.8
2016 Lebron.... 26.2
Originally Posted by 8Ball
Jordan's success will forever be tied to 1 human.
Scottie Pippen
It's goat because Jordan was the first guy that didn't have a "jordan" teammate to lead the team in scoring, and only had a pippen (someone that averaged 10-30 less in every series)
Last edited by 3ball; 12-05-2020 at 12:53 PM.
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NBA Legend
Re: The reversed 1-9 ratio; posters to alts
Originally Posted by 3ball
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PLAYOFFS PPG
1988 McHale.... 25.4
1988 Bird.......... 24.5
2011 Wade...... 24.5
2011 Lebron.... 23.7
2020 AD........... 27.8
2020 Lebron.... 27.7
2016 Kyrie....... 25.8
2016 Lebron.... 26.2
It's goat because Jordan was the first guy that didn't have a "jordan" teammate to lead the team in scoring, and only had a pippen (someone that averaged 10-30 less in every series)
MJ needed Pippen to lead in all categories except scoring. That’s a burden
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: The reversed 1-9 ratio; posters to alts
Originally Posted by AirBonner
MJ needed Pippen to lead in all categories except scoring. That’s a burden
Magic, Stockton, Isiah, Lebron and many others led their team in assists every time
Jordan is the only player that always led scoring
And he led in assists for 6 of 9 playoff runs alongside pippen with more career apg and assist percentage in RS and PO.. he also got more dpoy votes every year except 96/97
(btw, Wade actually led lebron in assists for numerous series)
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NBA Legend
Re: The reversed 1-9 ratio; posters to alts
Originally Posted by 3ball
Magic, Stockton, Isiah, Lebron and many others led their team in assists every time
Jordan is the only player that always led scoring
And he led in assists for 6 of 9 playoff runs alongside pippen with more career apg and assist percentage in RS and PO.. he also got more dpoy votes every year except 96/97
(btw, Wade actually led lebron in assists for numerous series)
LeBron played off-ball with Wade something you said LeBron can’t do. You have come full circle now. You dup
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: The reversed 1-9 ratio; posters to alts
Originally Posted by AirBonner
LeBron played off-ball with Wade something you said LeBron can’t do. You have come full circle now. You dup
A couple possessions doesn't count - Lebron didn't play off-ball like Kawhi or Curry and still had a PG time of possession (hold time) like chalmers
So his teams always have 2 players on the floor with a PG hold time (2 PG lineup).. teammates have less hold-time and assists in 2 PG lineups than traditional 1-PG lineups, so the TEAM ranks low in assists and struggles on the championship level
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truth serum
Re: The reversed 1-9 ratio; posters to alts
Originally Posted by KirbyPls
Is 9-1 an accurate ratio of actual human posters to alt accounts here?
Higher? Lower?
Do alts act as Pippen, thereby allowing the original human poster to metaphorically chuck away, gamble of games, and punch teammates?
Correct. Gotta feeling they exist so that posters can hopefully Paxson or Kerr their way to winning a debate or in a dire situation maybe Ray Allen them into a draw....
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: The reversed 1-9 ratio; posters to alts
Originally Posted by sdot_thadon
Correct. Gotta feeling they exist so that posters can hopefully Paxson or Kerr their way to winning a debate or in a dire situation maybe Ray Allen them into a draw....
Funny how lebron needed a HOF to make that shot, while Jordan elevated role players
Jordan's fearlessness was contagious, so role players sought their "jordan" moment, while Lebron's jitters prevent role player elevation in the key moments (donyell, korver, hill, many more)
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truth serum
Re: The reversed 1-9 ratio; posters to alts
Originally Posted by 3ball
Funny how lebron needed a HOF to make that shot, while Jordan elevated role players
Jordan's fearlessness was contagious, so role players sought their "jordan" moment, while Lebron's jitters prevent role player elevation in the key moments (donyell, korver, hill, many more)
So, answer me this one question: was Ray playing at a hall of fame level in 2014? Or just a role player level?
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: The reversed 1-9 ratio; posters to alts
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Comparing Sidekick Help While Trying to 3-Peat
PLAYOFFS
14' Wade..... 18.5 PER.. 0.086 ws/48.. 1.6 obpm
93' Pippen... 16.9 PER.. 0.083 ws/48.. 1.1 obpm
Per 100 Possessions
14' Wade..... 28.6 pts.. 6.2 ast.. 56.0 ts.. 106 ortg
93' Pippen... 26.2 pts.. 7.4 ast.. 50.0 ts.. 102 ortg
Originally Posted by sdot_thadon
So, answer me this one question: was Ray playing at a hall of fame level in 2014? Or just a role player level?
Ray didn't need to be HOF in 2014 because Wade produced at higher level in the playoffs than 93' Pippen (above), and the Heat had a 4th HOF teammate in Bosh (Bosh was marginalized in lebron-ball, so he couldn't average 19-20 as 3rd option like Klay, Montrezl, or other 3rd options)
However, Ray led the 13' Heat in Finals net rating (team ortg - team drtg while on floor), whereas lebron was negative
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truth serum
Re: The reversed 1-9 ratio; posters to alts
Originally Posted by 3ball
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Comparing Sidekick Help While Trying to 3-Peat
PLAYOFFS
14' Wade..... 18.5 PER.. 0.086 ws/48.. 1.6 obpm
93' Pippen... 16.9 PER.. 0.083 ws/48.. 1.1 obpm
Per 100 Possessions
14' Wade..... 28.6 pts.. 6.2 ast.. 56.0 ts.. 106 ortg
93' Pippen... 26.2 pts.. 7.4 ast.. 50.0 ts.. 102 ortg
Ray didn't need to be HOF in 2014 because Wade produced at higher level in the playoffs than 93' Pippen (above), and the Heat had a 4th HOF teammate in Bosh (Bosh was marginalized in lebron-ball, so he couldn't average 19-20 as 3rd option like Klay, Montrezl, or other 3rd options)
However, Ray led the 13' Heat in Finals net rating (team ortg - team drtg while on floor), whereas lebron was negative
A simple yes or no would do.
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