TRADE: Jrue Holiday to the Celtics for Timelord, Brogdan and 2 firsts.

[Real Men Wear Green]

You admitted Horford is a part-time big so you agree with me they have depth issues. We agree there. If Porz gets hurt (which he usually does), Horford is not giving you good 35mpg starting to each game. His minutes have been declining every year. He is not a legit insurance policy for Porzingis. You don't have depth in front-court no matter how you slice it. I don't care if he defended Embiid well for 20 minutes (Williams was playing big minutes too and doing a lot of the defense on Embiid so not like it was Horford taking on Embiid one-on-one most of the game). Can he bang with Embiid, Jokic, Adebayo, Sabonis, Turner, Ayton, Gobert,, etc night in & night out for 35mpg as starter? No, he can't - not for 35+ mpg every game. End of story.

I'd rather have Middleton as 3rd option than Brown as 2nd option if I'm a playoffs team even if I rank Brown over Middleton on top 100 players list. Guy's role will be to stand at 3pt line, wait for giannis/lillard to pass him the rock (both will draw double teams btw so Middleton will get plenty of space), then catch & shoot. He doesn't have to playmake, rebound, create for others, anything. Brown's role will require a lot more, and they need a lot from him due to the lack of depth around him (while drawing double teams).

If Horford's defense didn't matter the Celtics wouldn't have beat Philly. In the postseason he averaged 30 minutes, not 20, so wherever you got that number from you can put it back. Horford's defensive role has been defending post threats. Always had been always will be. Post defense is something a wily old vet can do. He makes the shot Embiid tough and doesn't make mistakes in the scheme.

No one has infinite great players coming off the bench, but everyone has fans that overrate their players which is what you do when you act like Middleton's injury history doesn't exist and he's just as good as a player that defends as well or better than he does while averaging 10 more points. The last two seasons the Celtics have made the Conference finals and they have made the Conference finals 4 times with Brown as one of their top 2 scorers. It's worked well, and he's still improving.

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If Horford's defense didn't matter the Celtics wouldn't have beat Philly. In the postseason he averaged 30 minutes, not 20, so wherever you got that number from you can put it back. Horford's defensive role has been defending post threats. Always had been always will be. Post defense is something a wily old vet can do. He makes the shot Embiid tough and doesn't make mistakes in the scheme.

No one has infinite great players coming off the bench, but everyone has fans that overrate their players which is what you do when you act like Middleton's injury history doesn't exist and he's just as good as a player that defends as well or better than he does while averaging 10 more points. The last two seasons the Celtics have made the Conference finals and they have made the Conference finals 4 times with Brown as one of their top 2 scorers. It's worked well, and he's still improving.

Who said it didn't matter? Williams wasn't playing 48mins against Philly. Horford can still give you solid 20mpg off the bench (might have to play gassed if he had to play more). However, he is not a legit full-time replacement for Porz if & when Porz gets injured.

Middleton had 1 injury in his career. Porzingis is injured almost every year. Brown is going to be dealing with double teams while being asked to do a lot. Middleton is not. Do you not get that? I feel like you are trying to convince yourself that it's all great and dandy in Celtics land. Against the bucks, it's going to be hell.

[iamgine]

Who said it didn't matter? Williams wasn't playing 48mins against Philly. Horford can still give you solid 20mpg off the bench (might have to play gassed if he had to play more). However, he is not a legit full-time replacement for Porz if & when Porz gets injured.

Middleton had 1 injury in his career. Porzingis is injured almost every year. Brown is going to be dealing with double teams while being asked to do a lot. Middleton is not. Do you not get that? I feel like you are trying to convince yourself that it's all great and dandy in Celtics land. Against the bucks, it's going to be hell.

The arrival of Jrue alleviate that. He's much more offensive than Smart.

Every team will get hell against healthy Bucks anyways.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Who said it didn't matter? Williams wasn't playing 48mins against Philly. Horford can still give you solid 20mpg off the bench (might have to play gassed if he had to play more). However, he is not a legit full-time replacement for Porz if & when Porz gets injured.

Middleton had 1 injury in his career. Porzingis is injured almost every year. Brown is going to be dealing with double teams while being asked to do a lot. Middleton is not. Do you not get that? I feel like you are trying to convince yourself that it's all great and dandy in Celtics land. Against the bucks, it's going to be hell.

You continue to make stuff up. Seeing as you watch the Celtics more than me point out all these teams that doubleteam Jaylen Brown. It never happened in the past and now the Celtics will have two more major offensive threats on the floor you thin their second option is getting double? I hope teams do try it.

Bringing up Williams minutes is funny. The 20 minutes per game you put on Horford? That's actually what Williams averaged last playoff. Williams can have a dynamic impact but if you are bringing him up when talking about worries over limited minutes and missing games proves you have no idea what you're talking about.

If Middleton had only had one injury why did he miss 52 games in 16-17?

[90sgoat]

Celtics have upgraded significantly now with KP and Jrue.

Much more versatile on both ends.

Is it possible that Celtics are gearing up to trade Brown?

[Wally450]

Celtics have upgraded significantly now with KP and Jrue.

Much more versatile on both ends.

Is it possible that Celtics are gearing up to trade Brown?

Why would they trade Brown? They just gave him the biggest contract.

They're pushing the chips all in with these moves. Brad knew Brogdon and Rob couldn't sustain and entire season and be healthy for the postseason (even with the load managing we gave them), so he shipped them out for a defensive minded point guard with more offense than Smart provided.

[jayfan]

Adrian Wojnarowski: That’s the current tally on Damian Lillard trade, anyway: Portland plans to keep Robert Williams to pair with Deandre Ayton, sources say, but there has certainly been interest in veteran Malcolm Brogdon and expect teams will be calling on him. Blazers are committed to young guards.

Billups trying to revive a version of Sheed + Ben.


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You continue to make stuff up. Seeing as you watch the Celtics more than me point out all these teams that doubleteam Jaylen Brown. It never happened in the past and now the Celtics will have two more major offensive threats on the floor you thin their second option is getting double? I hope teams do try it.

Bringing up Williams minutes is funny. The 20 minutes per game you put on Horford? That's actually what Williams averaged last playoff. Williams can have a dynamic impact but if you are bringing him up when talking about worries over limited minutes and missing games proves you have no idea what you're talking about.

If Middleton had only had one injury why did he miss 52 games in 16-17?

Jaylen brown does have jrue in the backcourt now, true. It's also true that Jaylen won't have mostly a catch-and-shoot role, which Middleton will have. I think Middleton will give enough to keep himself as a serious threat that needs to be closely covered. Along with Tatum, Brown is going to be the central crux of the opponents' gameplans. For bucks, it's going to be Giannis and Lillard.

Consistent history says Porzingis is an injury waiting to happen then you will see the issue of lack of depth hit you in the rear. Like I said, Middleton played over 60 games 72% of his career. Porz 42% of his career while being 7 years younger. Vast difference.

[jayfan]

Incredible get for Boston but giving up Williams is surprising to say the least and very much damaging. Brogdon is nothing and anyone who compares him to Holiday is a fool.

Brogdon is more than nothing and Holiday is less than incredible.


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[Real Men Wear Green]

Jaylen brown does have jrue in the backcourt now, true. It's also true that Jaylen won't have mostly a catch-and-shoot role, which Middleton will have. I think Middleton will give enough to keep himself as a serious threat that needs to be closely covered. Along with Tatum, Brown is going to be the central crux of the opponents' gameplans. For bucks, it's going to be Giannis and Lillard.

Consistent history says Porzingis is an injury waiting to happen then you will see the issue of lack of depth hit you in the rear. Like I said, Middleton played over 60 games 72% of his career. Porz 42% of his career while being 7 years younger. Vast difference.

So we still don't know why Middleton played 29 games in 16/17 and there's no example of Brown getting doubled. For the record I hope they do double Brown, there's no way a team controls Tatum while doubling Brown and Porzingis, Holiday, Hauser,Pritchard and others can all hit shots.

[90sgoat]

Wow, Boston have 5 white guys now.

Are you seeing this Real Men Wear Green?

[Real Men Wear Green]

Wow, Boston have 5 white guys now.

Are you seeing this Real Men Wear Green?

I don't care. You would the racist, not me.

[90sgoat]

I don't care. You would the racist, not me.

I'm just saying, we're gonna hang out in the Celts game threads this season, my dude.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I'm just saying, we're gonna hang out in the Celts game threads this season, my dude.

"We?" Whatever. You're an idiot and I'm sure you'll l provide plenty of reasons for banning.

[NBAGOAT]

Jaylen brown does have jrue in the backcourt now, true. It's also true that Jaylen won't have mostly a catch-and-shoot role, which Middleton will have. I think Middleton will give enough to keep himself as a serious threat that needs to be closely covered. Along with Tatum, Brown is going to be the central crux of the opponents' gameplans. For bucks, it's going to be Giannis and Lillard.

Consistent history says Porzingis is an injury waiting to happen then you will see the issue of lack of depth hit you in the rear. Like I said, Middleton played over 60 games 72% of his career. Porz 42% of his career while being 7 years younger. Vast difference.

Little off topic with this response but agreed bostons depth is a weakness now. However porzingis was healthy last season and stevens will find a a better backup big than kornet before the deadline. Could easily trade for someone like Dorian finney smith too to replace grant Williams, they have a plethora of 2nd rd picks. Mil has a better top 4 because of their top 2 though I won’t go as far to say Middleton>Brown but mil doesn’t have 5th and 6th guys nearly as good as white and horford. Portis is a great backup but not that useful in playoffs. Then it’s guys like Connaughton and crowder, can’t even be sure they’ll play in the playoffs. Beasley could be good but most likely wont be playable in the playoffs either. Also in bostons favor jrue and porzingis were all star lvl last year could argue both will be better than Middleton this season.