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    Default There's no 13-yr period of Kobe that sniffs Lebron's career

    2008-2020 Lebron - 28.7 PER.,,.. 9.6 BPM... 0.253 WS/48... 104.5 VORP.. 60.1 TS* .. 118 ORTG.. 27/8/8

    2000 -2012 Kobe - 24.2 PER.......5.5 BPM... 0.192 WS/48... 70.1 VORP.. 55.5 TS%.. 112 ORTG.. 28/6/5

    Kobe has massive deficits blah blah blah.

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    Default Re: There's no 13-yr period of Kobe that sniffs Lebron's career

    Kobe won 5 rings in a 13-year span. Find me one from Bran where he did the same.

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    Default Re: There's no 13-yr period of Kobe that sniffs Lebron's career

    Quote Originally Posted by ImKobe View Post
    Kobe won 5 rings in a 13-year span. Find me one from Bran where he did the same.
    Boom

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    Default Re: There's no 13-yr period of Kobe that sniffs Lebron's career

    Quote Originally Posted by ImKobe View Post
    Kobe won 5 rings in a 13-year span. Find me one from Bran where he did the same.
    That's literally irrelevant to the on-court performance. Derek Fisher also won 5 rings in that time frame. Pippen went 6-0 in the finals, guess he is equal to MJ...

    As you can see here, Kobe has massive deficits compared to Lebron.

    2008-2020 Lebron - 28.7 PER.,,.. 9.6 BPM... 0.253 WS/48... 104.5 VORP.. 60.1 TS% .. 118 ORTG.. 27/8/8

    2000-2012 Kobe - 24.2 PER.......5.5 BPM... 0.192 WS/48... 70.1 VORP.. 55.5 TS%.. 112 ORTG.. 28/6/5

    EDIT: The gap is slightly worse for Kobe in the playoffs.

    Playoffs:

    2008-2020 Lebron - 29.2 PER.,,.. 10.6 BPM... 0.257 WS/48... 29.6 VORP.. 59.1 TS% .. 118 ORTG.. 29/9/7

    2000-2012 Kobe - 23.0 PER.......5.8 BPM... 0.166 WS/48... 15.7 VORP.. 54.3 TS%.. 112 ORTG.. 28/5/5
    Last edited by StrongLurk; 11-28-2023 at 01:29 PM.

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    Default Re: There's no 13-yr period of Kobe that sniffs Lebron's career

    Quote Originally Posted by StrongLurk View Post
    That's literally irrelevant to the on-court performance. Derek Fisher also won 5 rings in that time frame. Pippen went 6-0 in the finals, guess he is equal to MJ...

    As you can see here, Kobe has massive deficits compared to Lebron.

    2008-2020 Lebron - 28.7 PER.,,.. 9.6 BPM... 0.253 WS/48... 104.5 VORP.. 60.1 TS% .. 118 ORTG.. 27/8/8

    2000-2012 Kobe - 24.2 PER.......5.5 BPM... 0.192 WS/48... 70.1 VORP.. 55.5 TS%.. 112 ORTG.. 28/6/5

    EDIT: The gap is slightly worse for Kobe in the playoffs.

    Playoffs:

    2008-2020 Lebron - 29.2 PER.,,.. 10.6 BPM... 0.257 WS/48... 29.6 VORP.. 59.1 TS% .. 118 ORTG.. 29/9/7

    2000-2012 Kobe - 23.0 PER.......5.8 BPM... 0.166 WS/48... 15.7 VORP.. 54.3 TS%.. 112 ORTG.. 28/5/5

    see what you did there

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    Default Re: There's no 13-yr period of Kobe that sniffs Lebron's career

    Quote Originally Posted by ImKobe View Post
    Kobe won 5 rings in a 13-year span. Find me one from Bran where he did the same.
    Kobe won a ring averaging 15.6 PPG on 41.1 TS%, truly impressive stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RRR3 View Post
    Kobe won a ring averaging 15.6 PPG on 41.1 TS%, truly impressive stuff.
    Kobe was All NBA 2nd team (top 10 player) and All Defense 1st team in that year.

    An injured 4 game sample size against a weak east fodder opponent doesn't take away the other 97% of the season. You and StrongDork are on some goofy shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tpols View Post
    Kobe was All NBA 2nd team (top 10 player) and All Defense 1st team in that year.

    An injured 4 game sample size against a weak east fodder opponent doesn't take away the other 97% of the season. You and StrongDork are on some goofy shit.
    It does matter when applying the GOAT standard to Kobe and comparing him to guys like MJ/Lebron.

    Neither MJ/Lebron are winning ANYTHING putting up 15.6ppg on 41.1 TS% in the finals.

    The Lakers went up 2-0 in the 2000 finals with Kobe putting up 8/2/5 on 47.4 TS% . Maybe because Shaq put up 44/22/4 and 3 blocks per game in those first 2 games . ABSURD levels of carrying by peak Shaq.

    It's so ironic Kobe stans trying to say "hey what happened in the finals doesn't erase the rest of the year"...yet that's literally what Kobe stans do to Lebron.

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    It's already been explained to you with regards to Kobes competition that the West opponents the Lakers faced in their 3peat were 10x better than the East Competition they faced in the Finals.

    And inversely Lebrons Eastern opponents were generally trash 95% of the time and he only mainly saw real competition from the West.

    It's not our fault you can't comprehend context. Kobe fans have been focusing on what he did vs his teams best competition and what Lebron did vs his teams best competition.

    Perfectly straight forward and congruent. We can't help it that you lack the cognitive ability to process this information.

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    Default Re: There's no 13-yr period of Kobe that sniffs Lebron's career

    Quote Originally Posted by tpols View Post
    It's already been explained to you with regards to Kobes competition that the West opponents the Lakers faced in their 3peat were 10x better than the East Competition they faced in the Finals.

    And inversely Lebrons Eastern opponents were generally trash 95% of the time and he only mainly saw real competition from the West.

    It's not our fault you can't comprehend context. Kobe fans have been focusing on what he did vs his teams best competition and what Lebron did vs his teams best competition.

    Perfectly straight forward and congruent. We can't help it that you lack the cognitive ability to process this information.
    I've explained before how your reasoning is bullshit. You still need to PLAY WELL in the finals. Kobe stans keep trying to say that Kobe's performance in the finals doesn't matter which is absolutely insane. Apparently Kobe is the only all time great that gets free passes for playing subpar. If the finals were "so easy", then why didn't Kobe play better? He was clearly trying his hardest.

    I've already shown the difference between Kobe/Bron in the regular season/playoffs. You DONT want me to post the finals stats as well in this thread...spoiler alert, Bron is better there too.

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    Default Re: There's no 13-yr period of Kobe that sniffs Lebron's career

    Quote Originally Posted by ImKobe View Post
    Kobe won 5 rings in a 13-year span. Find me one from Bran where he did the same.

    Can you imagine Lebron f*cking up a 3-peat with Shaq and choking off 1 or 2 of those titles?

    I can.

    Those teams were towering favorites and a dynasty but Lebron would make them whimpering 50-something win teams and underdogs on the Finals level - what a travesty - Lebron's teams are perennial underdogs on the Finals level regardless of cast, so it would be pathetic for Shaq/Lebron to be underdogs and trick off Finals.

    We've seen this kind of underperformance for 20 years from bron-ball.. Bron-ball underachieves the on--paper talent - preseason favorites fell to underdog or loser for 6 straight years (11-16') and also 2021 (allen miracle aside)

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    Default Re: There's no 13-yr period of Kobe that sniffs Lebron's career

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ba11 View Post
    Can you imagine Lebron f*cking up a 3-peat with Shaq and choking off 1 or 2 of those titles?

    I can.

    Those teams were towering favorites and a dynasty but Lebron would make them whimpering 50-something win teams and underdogs on the Finals level - what a travesty - Lebron's teams are perennial underdogs on the Finals level regardless of cast, so it would be pathetic for Shaq/Lebron to be underdogs and trick off Finals.

    We've seen this kind of underperformance for 20 years from bron-ball.. Bron-ball underachieves the on--paper talent - preseason favorites fell to underdog or loser for 6 straight years (11-16') and also 2021 (allen miracle aside)
    Look at 3ball resorting to a bunch of "what-ifs". No surprise since the vast majority of basketball "evidence" supports Lebron > Kobe.

    Kobe stans are forced to rely on really niche or low importance talking points.

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    Default Re: There's no 13-yr period of Kobe that sniffs Lebron's career

    Quote Originally Posted by StrongLurk View Post
    Look at 3ball resorting to a bunch of "what-ifs". No surprise since the vast majority of basketball "evidence" supports Lebron > Kobe.

    Kobe stans are forced to rely on really niche or low importance talking points.
    I most enjoyed him claiming LeBron & Shaq would've been underdogs in the Finals from 2000-02

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    Default Re: There's no 13-yr period of Kobe that sniffs Lebron's career

    It's been settled for a long time that Bron is better than Kobe (although people saying Kobe isn't top 10 are clearly wrong too - Kobe is somewhere in the top 6-8 all time)

    Let's compare Kobe's "GOAT" 3-peat vs Pippen's "the worse sidekick ever" 3-peat. As you can see, it's actually close

    Playoffs:

    1991-1993 Scott Pip - 19.6 PER.,,.. 5.1 BPM... 0.148WS/48... 4.3 VORP.. 53.6 TS% .. 112 ORTG.. 103 DRTG

    2000-2002 Kobe - 21.3 PER.......4.9 BPM... 0.169 WS/48... 4.2 VORP.. 52.7 TS%.. 112 ORTG.. 102 DRTG

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    Default Re: There's no 13-yr period of Kobe that sniffs Lebron's career

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ba11 View Post
    Can you imagine Lebron f*cking up a 3-peat with Shaq and choking off 1 or 2 of those titles?

    I can.

    Those teams were towering favorites and a dynasty but Lebron would make them whimpering 50-something win teams and underdogs on the Finals level - what a travesty - Lebron's teams are perennial underdogs on the Finals level regardless of cast, so it would be pathetic for Shaq/Lebron to be underdogs and trick off Finals.

    We've seen this kind of underperformance for 20 years from bron-ball.. Bron-ball underachieves the on--paper talent - preseason favorites fell to underdog or loser for 6 straight years (11-16') and also 2021 (allen miracle aside)
    Lebron has never played with dominant post players. It kills his spacing and driving lanes ie why he always opted for stretch bigs like Big Z, Jamison, Bosh, Love, and AD.

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