Murray destroys Jokic's goat case for same reason everyone else's is destroyed

[3ba11]

Murray & Porter with 24 ppg and "taking over" & isolation "that guy" game-winners is too much help compared to Jordan, who always carried the scoring & clutch load.

Everyone in history needed teammates to carry equal scoring loads and "take over", except MJ, who always won without elite producers or teammates "taking over".. only MJ took over for 6 chips - that's why he's goat

[Akeem34TheDream]

[FKAri]

The fact that Scottie Pippen could walk unassisted is proof that MJ had WAY TOO MUCH help.

[j3lademaster]

Jokic should have had 8 or 9 ft's for 7+ more points and Murray's gamewinner wouldnt have been needed. Or if Murray played to his standards this series.

[SouBeachTalents]

OP will be here in the 2030's making these threads about that eras GOAT.

[elementally morale]

It took you long turning from LeBron to Jokic as the target but it's finally happening.

As for your 'take', Pippen was a better basketball player than Murray. I don't know who you are comparing Porter to but it it's his shooting the Bulls had some great outside shooters. Anyway, if you try comparing the squads and tell us with a straight face that this Nuggets roster is better than a 90s Bulls roster if you take away the best players... that would be an 'interestng' take.

[SouBeachTalents]

It took you long turning from LeBron to Jokic as the target but it's finally happening.

As for your 'take', Pippen was a better basketball player than Murray. I don't know who you are comparing Porter to but it it's his shooting the Bulls had some great outside shooters. Anyway, if you try comparing the squads and tell us with a straight face that this Nuggets roster is better than a 90s Bulls roster if you take away the best players... that would be an 'interestng' take.

No chance they come even CLOSE to winning 55 games without Jokic

[j3lademaster]

OP will be here in the 2030's making these threads about that eras GOAT.

Wemby averaged 28/17/7/3/5 this series, but his teammate averaged 26 ppg with optimal navigation efficiency and offball passing, proving he can't do it without an equal scoring partner. Only MJ has won a ring averaging 10+ more ppg than his second option, and Wemby-ball can only turn teammates into spot up shooters instead of playmakers.

[tpols]

Jordan's teammates were trash relative to today but so were his opponents teammates. So it evens out.

The 80s and 90s were so damn weak compared to today. Bunch of dudes dribbling only right handed getting sagged off 10 feet on every play. That wouldn't fly today. They'd get avalanched from deep.

[tontoz]

Youtube is filled with vids of Jokic making game winning shots.

[White Hammer]

It was only a matter of time before you betrayed the Jokic fam. I see you. Can’t wait for the Jokic=Rik Smits thread.

[StrongLurk]

MJ only being dominant in the 90's destroys his GOAT case. It's that simple.

[Duffy Pratt]

No chance they come even CLOSE to winning 55 games without Jokic

Probably closer to 40 wins, unless they tanked.

[ImKobe]

Murray has bailed out Jokic so many times in big moments tbh it's not a bad argument. The GOAT should also be the closer on his team when it's winning time. Jokic has made clutch shots himself sure but if he ever wins enough titles this would be used against him.

[ShawkFactory]

Uh oh.

Looks like we have a new target