New report: obesity cost USA 300 billion a year.

[Stempel, HERB]

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pot, meet kettle

Personal attacks are the sweet spot of message board humor. No one gets to decide what kind of attention they draw onto themselves if they're whoring for it on the internet. ~shittime~ needs to be humbled more often, but his West Texas Ignorance is a sturdy shield.

[Nanners]

Personal attacks are the sweet spot of message board humor. No one gets to decide what kind of attention they draw onto themselves if they're whoring for it on the internet. ~shittime~ needs to be humbled more often, but his West Texas Ignorance is a sturdy shield.

hey i got no problems with personal attacks. just thought it was funny seeing idiot dresta call out primetimes intelligence because he made a "childish response" and immediately follow it up with a childish response of his own.

[iamgine]

Well employers need to stop hiring obese people.

If they have no job, either they can't buy food so they slim down.

Or they eat the bad, cheap food so they die quicker.

Either way, less obese people.

[~primetime~]

Personal attacks are the sweet spot of message board humor. No one gets to decide what kind of attention they draw onto themselves if they're whoring for it on the internet. ~shittime~ needs to be humbled more often, but his West Texas Ignorance is a sturdy shield.

"West Texas"? I live in Dallas.

[Dresta]

I didn't word that part well, and that's my fault.

He was claiming that we as a culture are a bad influence on the world because we're fat. We are spreading fast food around the world, and that's part of the problem, but other places eat like shit too with or without us. We aren't the end all be all of fatness in the world. Like you said people eat like shit wherever and with whatever they have... Same with alcohol or drugs. People are going to do it. The modern workload is lesser as well, so instead of everybody farming and working their asses off. We have people sitting at desks.

General fatness is a problem for 3 reasons:

1. People are generally pretty stupid, they're susceptible to advertisements and being taken advantage of. They seek pleasure or mask pain with food.

2. Corporations are also at fault because they try to reap as much profit as possible. Many use the shittiest ingredients they can get away with, they purposely make things addictive and impossible to satiate, and they mostly don't care what happens to the consumers as long as they can keep buying the product for an indeterminate amount of time.

3. The government itself could put tighter restrictions on food i.e. the NYC soda ban, and educate kids more while they're in school. If people were told, "No" when they wanted to buy a 2 liter of soda or if 2 liters didn't exist at all we would be in a better spot. I mean Europe is far better than us with banning chemical additives and shit.

It's ultimately up to the individual on what they put in themselves, but there is some blame to be spread around.

Although those things likely all play a role, i think the crux of the problem is far simpler than that. In America, for the most part, food is abundant and plentiful, whereas physical activity is sparse. Americans drive everywhere, and this is not entirely their fault as many American cities are designed to be car-friendly, and certainly aren't built for walking or cycling places. So in the end, it's just eating too much food, and sitting on your arse far too long that is the problem (seeking of comfort and ease, avoidance of discomfort and pain). Yes, food portions are far bigger in America, and you tend to get much more for your money, but that is a good thing in my eyes, and i don't see why everyone should be penalised economically because of the irresponsibility of other people.

The other problem is that we live in an era of the indulgence of children; many parents are now incapable or unwilling to exert proper discipline, to say no, instead giving into every whim of their child, and obviously, kids love sweet stuff. It makes parenting easier basically. I'm not sure educating kids would help all that much as children can't really conceive long-term consequences, and will more often than not give into their desires, demand sweets and candy et cetera. It is parents that have to be held responsible, and raising a child to be obese needs to start being seen as a form of child abuse, because that's what it is in the end: it can utterly ruin their lives before they've even started.

So you're saying you do need a mirror to see your cawk? Maybe more than one mirror even? Do you have a room dedicated to that, where you walk in and multiple mirrors align so that you can check your junk out?, you know make sure your testicles are still there and all that?

Do you actually think that is funny? You poor, deluded soul, you.

hey i got no problems with personal attacks. just thought it was funny seeing idiot dresta call out primetimes intelligence because he made a "childish response" and immediately follow it up with a childish response of his own.

erm.. i wrote a longish post explaining how and why primetime was wrong (as he usually is) and how he had repeatedly mistaken correlation for causality, and all he replied with was 'you must be really fat' - are you telling me that isn't childish?

Nor was anything in my response childish: it was all true. Primetime (if he had the power) would prevent you and everyone else from ever having a drink, just because HE can't control himself (relevant to the topic at hand). He is constantly telling people that they should be living as he does, and for the things he enjoys, because he is a selfish and solipsistic asshole. I've observed that on this forum, based on what he's said on it; on the other hand primetime just flung unfounded playground talk back in my direction because he is too lacking in intelligence to formulate a proper response.

That clear it up for you?

[~primetime~]

Lol, wtf does me preventing others from drinking have to do with anything?

Stay on topic, why are you so fckin fat? Using food to comfort your depression is an excuse to you? Maybe you wouldn't be depressed if you could see your own p*nis. Wait nvm, that would be depressing as well, you're in a no-win situation.

[KevinNYC]

"West Texas"? I live in Dallas.

I'm going to West Texas, teardrops in my eyes.

[NZStreetBaller]

At the end of the day it comes down to the individual and their decison to consume the fat shit yeah its out there and available so is healthy food.

The fact that some people blame the government for not doing something about it is ridiculous. Now i dont expect americans to be genius's but im pretty sure that its common sense that fast foods eaten on a large scale will in fact make you fat unhealthy and die young.

The fact that fat people refuse to personally do something about it and expect not to be judged is crazy.

[kNIOKAS]

I've listened to the great podcast recently, where they discussed the obesity and the foods. They talked about how marginal are the rates of people sustaining their smaller weight after going through the programs - the relapse is absolutely enourmous!

IIRC, it's like 6% of people enlisted in programs (such as weightwatchers or whatever) actually do get to the normal weight, and 4% of those 6% stay in the normal weight! All the others get back to being fatties.

Now, I may be wrong with numbers, so just listen for yourself:
https://soundcloud.com/crackedpod/the-food-industry

What does it tell is that:
Being fat has little to do with not having will to eat less, or eat different type of food. Fat food is somewhat addictive, too, as it is suggested in the pod.


That makes all the fat shaming is this thread to just be ignorant emotional self-rightiousness projected by you in particular.

[steve franchise]

^ So what is the main reason why fat people stay fat if is not poor diet?

[Balla_Status]

^ So what is the main reason why fat people stay fat if is not poor diet?

Bad food is addictive which is also bad diet. I'll listen later but doesn't sound like anything new.

[step_back]

^ So what is the main reason why fat people stay fat if is not poor diet?

It's more than likely they return to their old eating habits. People need to realize that candy, soda's and Pizza etc are never going to be good for you. You can't have these things in your diet on a regular basis and not expect to get fat.

Prevention should be the way of combating this problem. Teach nutrition in schools from a young age, Sports or some kind of physical education should be compulsory. I don't know about America but here in England you can drop Physical education at 13 years old. I did and it meant I had around 2 hours of exercise per week. That's no way near enough.

Wouldn't it be a good idea if insurance companies and gyms worked out a deal that gave you a cheaper gym membership as part of your cover?

[kNIOKAS]

^ So what is the main reason why fat people stay fat if is not poor diet?

It is, but it is pretty much beyond control for a regular person.

Maybe I'm going to make it more ambigious, but let me compare this with people from the poor neighbourhoods that are born in them, stay in them, commit crime in them and they never leave.

Some might say well, they need to man up, get a job, work hard, pull themselves by their bootstraps, therefore it's up to the individual to make out of the ghetto. Thing is, being born in that culture actively prevents you from doing any of that, as one cannot form work ethics, see good role models around and receive the conditioning of achievement in life. It is an exception for a person to actually get out of that circle.

Similarly with the fat food, if a person does not have culture of eating normal food or does not have money for it, one gets into the cycle of eating fat food, which might be addictive, and then only so much is under his control.

Treat it as an addiction for the shortcut to understanding the situation, and have in mind that it is abnormal for a human being to get out of it.

[kNIOKAS]

It's more than likely they return to their old eating habits. People need to realize that candy, soda's and Pizza etc are never going to be good for you. You can't have these things in your diet on a regular basis and not expect to get fat.

Prevention should be the way of combating this problem. Teach nutrition in schools from a young age, Sports or some kind of physical education should be compulsory. I don't know about America but here in England you can drop Physical education at 13 years old. I did and it meant I had around 2 hours of exercise per week. That's no way near enough.

Wouldn't it be a good idea if insurance companies and gyms worked out a deal that gave you a cheaper gym membership as part of your cover?

Maybe these ideas are good.

However I've heard a case made against differentiating between health status in insurance. Say somebody is taking up a dangerous sport/activity, OR eating fat and is definitely going to catch a cardio disease or whatever. Why should regular folks pay for that slob's habits?

The slope is that it eventually might turn out that only rich can actually do things they choose, because if you put price on everything there is, to have an affordable insurance would take living the simpliest life possible. So, not many liberties around. See where it's going?

[ZenMaster]

Maybe these ideas are good.

However I've heard a case made against differentiating between health status in insurance. Say somebody is taking up a dangerous sport/activity, OR eating fat and is definitely going to catch a cardio disease or whatever. Why should regular folks pay for that slob's habits?

The slope is that it eventually might turn out that only rich can actually do things they choose, because if you put price on everything there is, to have an affordable insurance would take living the simpliest life possible. So, not many liberties around. See where it's going?

You could do whatever, but as long every time you take a drive or turn on the tv there are signs and adds telling you to fast food it won't change much, not when all you have to do is pull off the road for 5-10 minutes and you'll have your meal.
They tried not letting stores sell the insanely big cups of soda in New York, people where outraged lol.