The GOAT List: 2014 Edition

[houston]

I want to see where Walter Davis,Bobby Danridge, Chet Walker, end up

[L.Kizzle]

I want to see where Walter Davis,Bobby Danridge, Chet Walker, end up

Chet probably around the 110-120 mark. Dandridge and Davis around 120-135 range. My guess.

[L.A. Jazz]

Because of your Sam Cassell story i looked up his assist numbers (total and per game) and stumbled over the name Kevin Porter who won 4 assist titles in the 70s. i couldnt find him in your top 100. i know nothing about him. is he in your top 200?

[L.Kizzle]

Because of your Sam Cassell story i looked up his assist numbers (total and per game) and stumbled over the name Kevin Porter who won 4 assist titles in the 70s. i couldnt find him in your top 100. i know nothing about him. is he in your top 200?

Porter is like Marcus Camby of PGs but not on his level. Maybe Andre Miller. Slam 500 has him at 112. Like you I don't know much about him either. He made no all star games in his career in the late 70s when the guard spot was weak. Guys like Randy Smith and World B Free were all stars.

Maybe I'm wrong about him.

[G.O.A.T]

Because of your Sam Cassell story i looked up his assist numbers (total and per game) and stumbled over the name Kevin Porter who won 4 assist titles in the 70s. i couldnt find him in your top 100. i know nothing about him. is he in your top 200?

Porter is like Marcus Camby of PGs but not on his level. Maybe Andre Miller. Slam 500 has him at 112. Like you I don't know much about him either. He made no all star games in his career in the late 70s when the guard spot was weak. Guys like Randy Smith and World B Free were all stars.

Maybe I'm wrong about him.

I have Kevin Porter in a group between 290-320 with guys like Jumpin' Johnny Green, Don Ohl, Archie Clark, Johnny Moore, Terrell Brandon and Fast Eddie Johnson.

Porter was an old school playground point guard. The kind who truly was pass first, pass second, pass third.

He was the starting PG for the Bullets in a back court with Phil Chenier when they went to the 1975 Finals, after being swept he was traded to Detroit for Dave Bing.

He led the league in assists all four years he was healthy and played 30 mpg. He was traded to the Pistons twice and didn't workout either time, even though he did have his best statistical season playing under Dick Vitale. Once, like the Mark Jackson Indiana/Denver trades, traded at the started of the season and reacquired the next season. Jerry Green, a Detroit Sports Legend, called him a "water bug with a great sense of sharing."


He joins Norm Van Lier, Archie Clark, Mickey Johnson and Dan Roundfield on my all-Black guys I bet you thought were white guys team.

[L.Kizzle]

Was Jumpin Johnny Green the most athletic player of his day? I read be could touch the top of the glass.

[G.O.A.T]

[FONT="Book Antiqua"]#150 Willie M. Wise
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Tier Classification: Winning Pieces: Momentary Elite
Years Played (Quality Prime Seasons): 9 (5)
Primary Role(s): #2 on Championship Teams and contenders
Prime Averages: 20-10-3 on 48/73

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[SIZE="3"][FONT="Comic Sans MS"]-These next two players I have to be careful with as I

[G.O.A.T]

Was Jumpin Johnny Green the most athletic player of his day? I read be could touch the top of the glass.

I think guys like Wilt and Russell, Baylor, Gus Johnson etc. were all on the same level. They called him Long John, Kid Pogo, Rubber Legs, so obviously he could leap.

How good of a leaper was he:

"I'd put him up there with Jackie Jackson, the old Globetrotter, and maybe three other guys as a rebounder. He jumped out of sight, I know Julius Erving, and Julius wasn't in his league. I remember an alumni game when Robin Roberts, the great baseball player went up for a rebound and got eye level with John's belt, that's when Robin decided to stop playing basketball."

-Julius McCoy

Also from the book Magic Moments, a history of MSU hoops...

"Green routinley touched the top of the backboard at 12'6" and once dunked a ball ten times in 15 seconds."

[L.Kizzle]

How different would history be had Connie Hawkins and Roger Brown entered the NBA in the early 60s?

[Gotterdammerung]

How different would history be had Connie Hawkins and Roger Brown entered the NBA in the early 60s?

Excellent question, rife with possibilities and hypotheticals only a Borgesian literary genius could reasonably speculate without stacking the deck.

First, which team would they be drafted in, and how would their presence affect their hypothetical nba teams in the next 5-10 seasons?

Second, how would their presence affect other teams as a chain reaction, how they draft and shape their teams in adjustment?

[G.O.A.T]

[FONT="Book Antiqua"]#148 Zachary Randolph
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Tier Classification: Stars: Borderline Alphas
Years Played (Quality Prime Seasons): 13 (10)
Primary Role(s): 1A/1B on playoff teams
Prime Averages: 19-10-2-1 on 47/76

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[SIZE="3"][FONT="Comic Sans MS"]-F or a long time Z-Bo carried a bad rap. A lot of people believed he was the best player in the league that you couldn

[G.O.A.T]

[FONT="Book Antiqua"]#146 Richard V. Guerin
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Tier Classification: Stars: Borderline Alphas
Years Played (Quality Prime Seasons): 13 (6)
Primary Role(s): Best player on bad teams
Prime Averages: 22-7-6 on 42/79

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[SIZE="3"][FONT="Comic Sans MS"]-Six time all-star, three times all-NBA, perennially among the top ten in assists and three times a top 10 scorer, including averaging just under 30 ppg in 1961-62, it took a long time but Richie Guerin was finally inducted in the Hall of Fame in 2013. A strong physical guard, ahead of his time with great hesitation and change of direction moves of the dribble, Guerin languished on the lowly Knicks for seven seasons, making the playoffs only once. Finally in 1963 he was sent to the Hawks, a contender for most of the last decade, they needed a second guard to play alongside Lenny Wilkins, replacing John Barnhill a rookie the year before who had not met expectations. In a reduced role from that of a star in his twenties, Guerin became a valuable piece for the Hawks in his thirties and finally got a regular crack at the playoffs. So impressed with Guerin

[L.Kizzle]

Glen Rice was one of my favorite players early in my basketball watching days. I even got NBA in The Zone because he was on the cover. I think my team would look like:

Starters
PG Anfernee Hardaway
SG Clyde Drexler
SF Grant Hill
PF Shawn Kemp
C Hakeem Olajuwon

Reserves
G Kevin Johnson
G Reggie Miller
G Latrell Sprewell
F Glen Rice
F Charles Barkley
F Larry Johnson
C Alonzo Mourning

[L.Kizzle]

Guerin, Yardley or Hagan. Who was better?

[G.O.A.T]

Guerin, Yardley or Hagan. Who was better?

I'll take Hagan because he was so good in the playoffs so often. I'll go into more depth when he comes up on the list, but basically he's a Mark Aguirre crossed with a prime James Worthy. He could do it all offensively.