This YT video explains and shows why the no zone defense was much easier to play in.

[DonDadda59]

So no info on whether or not that only tracks full zones or partial ones too? Shades on one player?

I don't think Synergy keeps a 'shading' stat but you could probably research that on your own, contact them, etc. Here are the facts (and a specific team anecdote) according to their tracking of zone defenses being played in the NBA:

According to Synergy Sports tracking, the Warriors have seen zone a mere 79 possessions this season, [COLOR="Red"]1.5 percent of their total 6,031 possessions[/COLOR]. Golden State averages 0.94 points per play overall -- 10th-best in the league -- [COLOR="Red"]but that number jumps up a bit to 0.962 points per play against zone, and the Warriors have scorched opponents by shooting 50 percent against it.[/COLOR]

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According to Synergy Sports data, the Celtics rank sixth in the NBA in allowing a mere 0.898 points per play (a number that's dropped steadily since Bradley returned to the lineup). Boston actually owns the fourth-best man-to-man defense, allowing 0.846 points per play in half-court sets. But the Celtics are not afraid to throw the zone changeup and with good reason: Despite [COLOR="Red"]the fact that zone has accounted for a mere 145 possessions (2.7 percent of total plays[/COLOR]), the Celtics have allowed only 0.786 points per play and opponents have shot 35.6 percent against it.

Teams eventually sniff out the zone and make changes to bust it.

http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/...e-zone-defense

^Only makes sense that a team loaded with shooters would rarely see zone and would scorch it when faced against it. Not like this is middle school

I think the highest recorded % of zone use in the past 6 seasons was Dallas in '11 with 10.5% of their possessions.

I'll be on later to destroy you don

Any time you're ready bitch.

[TheMan]

Also shows Danny Ainge and Walton guarding him one on one, no help (which is a joke) because of no zone / illegal defense.

MJ able to convert over Danny Ainge one on one with no help D allowed?....."mind blown"

Dennis Johnson covered him most of the game but then again I'm sure you have no idea who he is.

[sdot_thadon]

I don't think Synergy keeps a 'shading' stat but you could probably research that on your own, contact them, etc. Here are the facts (and a specific team anecdote) according to their tracking of zone defenses being played in the NBA:

According to Synergy Sports tracking, the Warriors have seen zone a mere 79 possessions this season, [COLOR="Red"]1.5 percent of their total 6,031 possessions[/COLOR]. Golden State averages 0.94 points per play overall -- 10th-best in the league -- [COLOR="Red"]but that number jumps up a bit to 0.962 points per play against zone, and the Warriors have scorched opponents by shooting 50 percent against it.[/COLOR]

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According to Synergy Sports data, the Celtics rank sixth in the NBA in allowing a mere 0.898 points per play (a number that's dropped steadily since Bradley returned to the lineup). Boston actually owns the fourth-best man-to-man defense, allowing 0.846 points per play in half-court sets. But the Celtics are not afraid to throw the zone changeup and with good reason: Despite [COLOR="Red"]the fact that zone has accounted for a mere 145 possessions (2.7 percent of total plays[/COLOR]), the Celtics have allowed only 0.786 points per play and opponents have shot 35.6 percent against it.

Teams eventually sniff out the zone and make changes to bust it.

http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/...e-zone-defense

^Only makes sense that a team loaded with shooters would rarely see zone and would scorch it when faced against it. Not like this is middle school

I think the highest recorded % of zone use in the past 6 seasons was Dallas in '11 with 10.5% of their possessions.





Any time you're ready bitch.

So basically what you're saying is it only accounts for full zone. Almost makes it pointless to post. The other elements are more common.

[DonDadda59]

So basically what you're saying is it only accounts for full zone. Almost makes it pointless to post. The other elements are more common.

No, what I'm saying is they don't keep a 'shading' stat.

I'll tell you what. Show me an example of 'shading' either in video or gif form from a game from the post 'zone' era and we'll move on from there. Deal with any misconception you or the other misguided pups may have.

[iamgine]

Wow defense really are tougher back then.

Tougher for the defender.

[sdot_thadon]

No, what I'm saying is they don't keep a 'shading' stat.

I'll tell you what. Show me an example of 'shading' either in video or gif form from a game from the post 'zone' era and we'll move on from there. Deal with any misconception you or the other misguided pups may have.

There were plenty of examples in the video bro of a defender playing centerfield behind another man defender. don't come at me like that, I asked a civil question. Put ur big boy pants on we're adults here.

[DonDadda59]

There were plenty of examples in the video bro of a defender playing centerfield behind another man defender. don't come at me like that, I asked a civil question. Put ur big boy pants on we're adults here.

I'm wearing sweatpants right now nigguh, shit is serious.



Knicks throwing shade at the GOAT here?

[CavaliersFTW]

That YouTuber is not unlike that guy who used to make the "Kobe vs zone defenses" guy who was making up phrases like Zone Sandwich and what not and cherry picked a bunch o 1 on 3 and 1 on 5 sequences of Kobe and tried to assert that that was basically what Kobe faces/faced his entire career and that Jordan only played 1 on 1.

The tin foil hat basketball stans are easy to spot. The video in the OP is created by a tin foil hat fan who despises MJ.

[DonDadda59]

That YouTuber is not unlike that guy who used to make the "Kobe vs zone defenses" guy who was making up phrases like Zone Sandwich and what not and cherry picked a bunch o 1 on 3 and 1 on 5 sequences of Kobe and tried to assert that that was basically what Kobe faces/faced his entire career and that Jordan only played 1 on 1.

This. Although I haven't had a good zone sandwich in a while. Sprinkle in a little shading and you've got yourself a helluva lunch.

The tin foil hat basketball stans are easy to spot. The video in the OP is created by a tin foil hat fan who despises MJ.

Dudes don't know the basics of basketball, it's really amusing to watch. If you want to see what actual zones look like, you watch the NCAA not the NBA

[Cali Syndicate]

The 05 handcheck rule was necessary because the rules were in favor of defenses from 2001-2004, when record defensive numbers were recorded

MJ played in that period and when he was healthy was putting up 20+ppg with a tad below 45%clip. And this was mJ out of shape, worn down knees and a busted j (which was basically his only offensive move in his arsenal). And even still put up some amazing performances throughout those two seasons, check the record books. But a prime mj, a great off the ball and mid range shooter, wouldn't adapt to today's defenses....Mj wouldn't even miss a beat

[Jud]

"No team played zone on more than 10 percent of defensive possessions last season, per Synergy Sports. Dallas became known as the zone team in 2010-11, but they played a hybrid man zone more than a straight zone, and they did that on a small minority of possessions.

The league overall actually scored more efficiently against zone than man last season, according to Synergy."

Grantland, 2012

Hi 3ball

[sdot_thadon]

I'm wearing sweatpants right now nigguh, shit is serious.



Knicks throwing shade at the GOAT here?

I don't understand your point. That's not what I asked. And I'm not comparing, you threw info out there so I figured you knew more about it. This gif thing kinda prone to cherry picking. It's not like the moment from the gif is representative of that eras defense as a whole. My question is focused on the current era.

[DonDadda59]

I don't understand your point. That's not what I asked. And I'm not comparing, you threw info out there so I figured you knew more about it. This gif thing kinda prone to cherry picking. It's not like the moment from the gif is representative of that eras defense as a whole.

And you base this assertion on what exactly?

My question is focused on the current era.

Your question was about synergy sports keeping track of 'shading' data.

I don't think they keep track of that. But you can email/call them for specifics.

http://corp.synergysportstech.com/

If whoever answers your inquiry doesn't laugh in your face, be sure to come back here and tell us what they say.

[3ball]

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MJ's Mid-Range Shooting (Ron Artest said MJ was [COLOR="Red"]like Reggie Miller[/COLOR] from the mid-range)

[sdot_thadon]

And you base this assertion on what exactly?



Your question was about synergy sports keeping track of 'shading' data.

I don't think they keep track of that. But you can email/call them for specifics.

http://corp.synergysportstech.com/

If whoever answers your inquiry doesn't laugh in your face, be sure to come back here and tell us what they say.

for one I watched that era, 2nd if you don't feel that distinction matters you never really wanted to have an honest debate about it. If that's the case carry on.