Windhorst: Cavs Haywood + 24th Pick For Andersen/Chalmbers or David Lee Possible

[DukeDelonte13]

I'm not gushing over him. I hope we are able to do better. But one thing I will say in Mo's defense regarding his playoff problems with us back when... there's a big difference between failing as a 2nd or 3rd option and coming off the bench as a 5th/6th option.

Teams were game planning to take Mo away back then. He was an integral part of our offense. When you have not just LeBron James, but also Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love, JR Smith, Mozgov, Shump, TT, etc. to occupy your defense, things can open up for a backup coming off the bench with Mo's ability to shoot/score/playmake.

Again, he isn't a guy I'm dying to reacquire, but he would also be a pretty damn good backup PG especially if we also retain Delly... who can then focus strictly on being a defensive specialist/motor guy.

not saying you or meticode, or really any specific cavs fan on this site are gushing or dying to have him at all. Just a general consensus from a lot of other cavs fans across more mainstream communities.

ISH cavs fans IMO are much more knowledgeable fans.

[DMAVS41]

That idea has been floated on some Cavs forums that I'm on. Batum would be a near ideal fit on this team despite his struggles last year. Our defense would be off the charts and the versatility with the different lineups would be crazy.

Problem is, it's a serious longshot and feels a little like a homer deal that deluded Lakers or Knicks fans would toss out there.

The only way something like that would be possible, imo, is if LMA left this summer and the Blazers went head-on into rebuild mode.

I'm not sure about it being a "homer deal" to be honest.

Unless I'm wrong about the timing. Couldn't they make that trade...then the Blazers waive Haywood...and it frees up the 12 million or whatever for their cap and they can use that in free agency?

If I'm wrong on that...then this trade won't happen obviously.

But if the Blazers can move Batum/Blake for 12 million of cap space, Joe Harris, and the 24th pick.

Honestly, rebuild or not, that is a great deal for them.

Because if they're smart...they'd be worried about Batum having a big year and having to pay him a ton in the summer of 2016...and they won't want to do that. He's already making 11 million a year...if he has a good year...he's not taking a cut...and even in the new cap...no way is Batum worth 15 million a year or whatever his price will be if he's good next year.

A lot does depend on LMA, but is just bringing back the same group with Matthews coming off the injury enough to keep him there? If he's legit thinking about leaving...I can't imagine that's enough. But more cap to make moves, and getting another first rounder (to be used in a trade at the draft..at least that is what I'd do...I'd package the 23 and the 24 for something)...now that is something that might get him on board.

Again, have no idea what the Blazers plans are, but turning Batum/Blake into 12 million of cap and a first rounder is a great deal for them imo...i'm just not sure about the timing of all this and if that is possible.

[chips93]

batum would be the best possible return, but i dont think portland would just cut ties with him like that.

he hasnt really lived up to his potential, but he has still been a really good player, and i dont think they just give up on him for cap space and a pick.

fwiw with batum they have 32 million in salary next year, presuming they think they can keep lamarcus for about 20, they still have like 10 million in space, to sign matthews.

i think if i were running the blazers, i would just try keep the same group together. stotts has talked a lot about continuity and how just keeping the same group together, they build chemistry, and can make leaps that others wouldnt expect.

i think they just bring back the same guys, and hope that young guys like lillard, mccollum, and leonard improve, chemistry improves, maybe make a couple small pickups here and there, get lucky with injuries and they are contending.

i dont think its very likely that they become contenders, but its worth a shot.

its more likely than becoming contenders by cutting batum, and trying to attract free agents, which they havent had much luck with.

[DMAVS41]

batum would be the best possible return, but i dont think portland would just cut ties with him like that.

he hasnt really lived up to his potential, but he has still been a really good player, and i dont think they just give up on him for cap space and a pick.

fwiw with batum they have 32 million in salary next year, presuming they think they can keep lamarcus for about 20, they still have like 10 million in space, to sign matthews.

i think if i were running the blazers, i would just try keep the same group together. stotts has talked a lot about continuity and how just keeping the same group together, they build chemistry, and can make leaps that others wouldnt expect.

i think they just bring back the same guys, and hope that young guys like lillard, mccollum, and leonard improve, chemistry improves, maybe make a couple small pickups here and there, get lucky with injuries and they are contending.

i dont think its very likely that they become contenders, but its worth a shot.

its more likely than becoming contenders by cutting batum, and trying to attract free agents, which they havent had much luck with.

Perhaps, I don't hate that approach, but I don't love it either.

I'd just hate to be putting a team out there in which I don't think can win the title as presently constructed. Obviously things can change and there is no real rush, but right now? Just don't think that group is winning anything.

Also, you have to think about next summer. Batum expires after 2016. So the Blazers have to make that decision now essentially. They have to be willing to keep him even if he demands a high price.

That was more what I was talking about. Like...is Batum in the long term plans on this team? If so...then yea...don't make the move. If you are unsure and don't really know? Then listen to trade offers.

I'm just not sure that core is good enough to win a title.

[BallsOut]

I mentioned this earlier, but what about a deal with the Blazers?

I bet the Blazers would rather have cap space over Batum's 11 million this year. I'm not sure Batum is in their long term plans with or without Lamarcus.

Blake just opted in.

So you could do Haywood, 24th pick, Joe Harris for Batum/Blake.

Depends on what the Blazers are trying to do, but if Batum isn't in their plans past this year...that's a pretty good haul...and they can get it done before free agency so they have more cap room to work with to try and keep Lamarcus.

Not sure if the Blazers would listen, but it's worth a call....Batum/Blake would be great fits imo.

Wow you must be smoking if you think Blazers would rather have cap space over Batum. He had an off year but after Wesley Matthews went down with the torn achilles heel, Batum's stock rose for them. There's no way Blazers give Matthews the max which means they will have a huge hole at the wing. I can't imagine them letting go of two of their best wing defenders in one offseason. This is the same type of homer deal you had tried to advocate last year with the Buck's Larry Sanders and we all saw how ridiculous that proposal was

Let's be real. Mario Chalmers + Chris Anderson for the 24th pick and Haywood's expiring contract is a much better and more realistic deal for the Cavs.

[BallsOut]

one way they can do that is to trade Andersen/Chalmers to the Cavs for Haywood's $10 contract + the 24th pick.

Haywood + future draft pick for Mario Chalmers and Chris Anderson

This would be a great deal for both teams.

Cavs get two playoff rotation players that play well with Lebron. Miami saves some money.

PG: Irving | Chalmers | Delladova
SG: Shumpert | Williams | Harris
SF: Lebron | JR Smith | Jones
PF: Love | Thompson | Miller
C: Mozgov | Verajao | Anderson

That is a deep roster

[BallsOut]

Haywood + future draft pick for Mario Chalmers and Chris Anderson

This would be a great deal for both teams.

Cavs get two playoff rotation players that play well with Lebron. Miami saves some money.

PG: Irving | Chalmers | Delladova
SG: Shumpert | Williams | Harris
SF: Lebron | JR Smith | Jones
PF: Love | Thompson | Miller
C: Mozgov | Verajao | Anderson

That is a deep roster

[J Shuttlesworth]

quoting yourself

[DMAVS41]

Wow you must be smoking if you think Blazers would rather have cap space over Batum. He had an off year but after Wesley Matthews went down with the torn achilles heel, Batum's stock rose for them. There's no way Blazers give Matthews the max which means they will have a huge hole at the wing. I can't imagine them letting go of two of their best wing defenders in one offseason. This is the same type of homer deal you had tried to advocate last year with the Buck's Larry Sanders and we all saw how ridiculous that proposal was

Let's be real. Mario Chalmers + Chris Anderson for the 24th pick and Haywood's expiring contract is a much better and more realistic deal for the Cavs.

ROFL...still think it's crazy?

Dude...writing was on the wall...Batum was gone and it made a lot of sense.

Good for Blazers though...they got back a damn good return for him...better than I thought they would.

[2swift4u]

This is an excellent trade for both teams and especially the Cavs. Chalmers and Birdman bring championship experience to the Cavalier squad.

PG: Irving | Delly
SG: JR Smith | Chalmers
SF: Lebron | Shumpert | Miller
PF: Love | Thompson | Marion
C: Mozgov | Verajao | Birdman | Perkins

As far as I know Marion is gone, or isn't he? The Cavs don't need Birdman. They could use another PG in case Irving gets injured again (which is likely). However Chalmers wouldn't be my first (or second, or third...) choice.

[Kingwillball]

As far as I know Marion is gone, or isn't he? The Cavs don't need Birdman. They could use another PG in case Irving gets injured again (which is likely). However Chalmers wouldn't be my first (or second, or third...) choice.

Marion is retiring and They already picked up MO Williams keep up with current events.

[2swift4u]

Marion is retiring and They already picked up MO Williams keep up with current events.

by gone I meant retired but you're right I totally forgot about Mo for a moment because he wasn't on BallsOut's list.