How is it even possible to lose to Dwight Howard in a series with HCA?

[TheCorporation]

The entire decade was peppered with guys in the East taking weak casts to the Finals, and Lebron should be knocked for letting 2 of those opportunities slip away in 09' and 10'... As the favorite no less.. he ceded those runs to Dwight and an old/injured, 50-win celtics team

0-6 vs Bird
1-9 before Daddy Pippen
10.7 ppg second option opponents
1/5 in leading team in stats (Pip was 4/5)

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[3ball]

0-6 vs Bird

8-6 when both had an all-star teammate

10.7 ppg second option opponents

Stockton was the 2nd best player, and he was a superior 2nd guy to anyone lebron ever faced:

1/5 in leading team in stats (Pip was 4/5)

Lebron needed more help to win 3 rings because he only averaged 27.2 and 7.2 apg in the 12/13/16 playoffs versus 33.7 and 6.6 for MJ in 91-93' playoffs

So either lebron needed more help to win, or his rings required less production to win..

Furthermore, for their first 3 rings, both MJ and lebron averaged 7 apg to lead their team, but MJ led his team in scoring/clutch by goat amounts, while lebron needed a near-equal scoring partner and better clutch partner

lebron also needs way more help because he needs a team willing to sacrifice teammate/team assists and brand of ball so he can dominate the ball and get assists - it's a fact that teammates see their assists crater next to him, while the team has low assist rankings and gets massively out-assisted in the championship

1-9 before Daddy Pippen

Jordan's 1-9 was an overachievement because most young players on bad teams don't make the playoffs their first few years, like Lebron or Kyrie, and play poorly against championship comp several times once they make it, like lebron from 07-11'

But MJ made the playoffs right away and had goat performance (63), so his 1-9 record is irrelevant and doesn't require the obvious explanation - he was facing a Warriors-level team with a young 8 seed, yet still did better than lebron's sweeps and record defeat with veteran 2 seeds in 07/14/17/18 Finals (2-16 record)

And Lebron missed the playoffs with the East all-star center on his team in 05'.. Whereas MJ never missed the playoffs when he had elite athleticism, and only had 1st round exits with 8 seeds, while Lebron's 9 seeds missed the 8 vs 1 matchup in 04 and 05'

[TheCorporation]

I know you like to skew reality, so I'll just post some facts and not paragraphs of bullshit


• MJ was 0-6 vs Bird in the post season (WINLESS)
• MJ was 1-9 before his Daddy Pippen played with the Bulls
• MJ's best Finals win was against a team that had 10.7 ppg second option Jeff Hornacek (Stockton was #3 at 9.7 )
• MJ is 1/5 in leading his team in stats (Pippen was 4/5)
• MJ wrongfully won FMVP while being outplayed by Shawn Kemp

[3ball]

• MJ was 0-6 vs Bird in the post season (WINLESS)

No one lost by more than lebron (he has 2 record defeats)

And lebron is winless in more playoff series than MJ, including two 4-0 sweeps (MJ was never swept 4-0)

• MJ was 1-9 before his Daddy Pippen played with the Bulls

Lebron missed the playoffs before Hughes and Brown came to the Cavs

• MJ's best Finals win was against a team that had 10.7 ppg second option Jeff Hornacek (Stockton was #3 at 9.7 )

Stockton was the #2 player on the jazz and a better #2 than anyone lebron ever faced

He was also the Shaq/Duncan killer and alpha of those jazz teams (Malone was beta).. [COLOR="DarkRed"]At 40, Stockton led the jazz to the playoffs after starting all 82 games[[/COLOR]

• MJ is 1/5 in leading his team in stats (Pippen was 4/5)

MJ did more to win three rings (33/7) than lebron (27/7)..

They both led their teams with 7 apg, but MJ had to score 10-20 more than his 2nd option to win all Finals (1-man show), while lebron enjoyed an equal scoring partner and closer

MJ wrongfully won FMVP while being outplayed by Shawn Kemp

Gamescore thru 3 games (3-0)

Jordan. - 23.7
S Kemp - 19.6

... That's why MJ won MVP - by far the best player when the series was in the balance.. that how they award these things ya know
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[Duncan21formvp]

Dwight Howard a career loser beat Lebron James without HCA.
Lebron embarrassed the USA twice winning bronze medals. Lebron has been down in a series every year of his career at least 3-2 including 5 years in a row with HCA and lost 3 years in a row with HCA. Lebron James got outplayed by Tony Parker, Jason Terry, Kawhi Leonard, Andre Iguodala as well of course Kevin Durant multiple times. Even in 2012, Durant 31 ppg on 55% FG and Lebron 29 ppg on 47% FG.

[And1AllDay]

[QUOTE=TheCorporation]I know you like to skew reality, so I'll just post some facts and not paragraphs of bullshit

[Bawkish]

Dwight Howard
Jason Terry
JJ Barea
Delonte West
Shawn Marion
Boris Diaw
Kawhi Leonard
Andre Iguodala

[eliteballer]

How do you let two average guys at your position light you up(shard and hedo)?

[Duncan21formvp]

Dwight Howard
Jason Terry
JJ Barea
Delonte West
Shawn Marion
Boris Diaw
Kawhi Leonard
Andre Iguodala

These guys gave Lebron 6 finals losses.

[Shooter]

These guys gave Lebron 6 finals losses.

Not Dwight, but Dirk, Parker, and Igoudola

[kawhileonard2]

So Lebron couldn't beat Dwight with HCA and thus needed him to get by Jokic.

[TheCorporation]

0-6 vs Bird
1-9 before Daddy Pippen
10.7 ppg second option opponents
1/5 in leading team in stats (Pip was 4/5)

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Daaamn I stayed cooking these bois

Good refresher

Losing record to Bird, Hakeem, Malone, Isiah Thomas

[kawhileonard2]

Dwight Howard
Jason Terry
JJ Barea
Delonte West
Shawn Marion
Boris Diaw
Kawhi Leonard
Andre Iguodala

Imagine losing to Dwight Howard while you had HCA.

[TheCorporation]

• MJ was 0-6 vs Bird in the post season (WINLESS)
• MJ was 1-9 before his Daddy Pippen played with the Bulls
• MJ's best Finals win was against a team that had 10.7 ppg second option Jeff Hornacek (Stockton was #3 at 9.7 )
• MJ is 1/5 in leading his team in stats (Pippen was 4/5)
• MJ wrongfully won FMVP while being outplayed by Shawn Kemp

Guys?

[kawhileonard2]

Lebron:
2004 - choked the gold medal away
2006 - choked the gold medal away
2007 - choked and swept the title away
2008 - choked the gold medal away
2008 - bailed out by kobe in the gold medal game
2010 - Quit
2011 - choked the finals away
2012 - prime colluded ring
2012 - lockout ring
2013 - prime colluded ring
2013 - bail out by ray allen
2014 - choked the finals away to an air conditioner
2014 - Quit
2015 - choked the finals away shooting 25% beyond 5 feet vs a role player
2016 - choked game 7 away in the last 5 minutes
2016 - bail out by kyrie irving
2016 - prime colluded ring
2017 - choked game 3 away and the series
2018 - choked game 1 of OT and game 3 away
2018 - Quit
2019 - No Playoffs with the winniest franchise all time.
2020 - Anthony Davis leads teams in Win Shares and Scoring.