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    Default Re: Bruce Bowen: "Kobe is number 2 behind Jordan, not Lebron."

    Quote Originally Posted by Turbo Slayer View Post
    Yet despite LeBron's "ball-dominance", his offenses consistently led better offenses than Kobe's.

    rORTG (average)

    LeBron's teams (every year)

    average rORtg: +3.4

    Peak rORtg: +6.4 (2013)

    https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIA/

    https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/

    Kobe's teams (excluding 2013-14 and so forth)

    average rORtg: +2.8

    Peak rORtg: +5.5 (2007-08)

    https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/

    What this indicates: LeBron-led teams led consistently better offenses than Kobe-led teams. It also shows that LeBron had more impact on offense than Kobe.
    Did that help him during the 6 finals losses? I know the East was a bloodbath when he only had wade, bosh etc, but did those numbers help him in the finals when diaw, barea, terry, kawhi, Iggy decided to snatch his soul like he was some rookie? They media already awarded lebron for his reg season heroics and well oiled reg season teams, he got his reg season mvps for, plenty.. don't worry about that turbo.

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    Default Re: Bruce Bowen: "Kobe is number 2 behind Jordan, not Lebron."

    Quote Originally Posted by Whoah10115 View Post
    Don't understand any of this. Horry said Hakeem is the best he played with. And? Hakeem was ridiculous. Horry played with the peak version.
    I'm saying that Horry played with Hakeem during his MVP years and Shaq during his MVP year. He did not play with Duncan during his MVP years.


    Quote Originally Posted by Whoah10115 View Post
    Between these two posts I feel you're saying that because you want him to say it's Duncan.
    No, my post is NOT about whether Kobe is better than Lebron or whether Hakeem is better than Shaq or Duncan. It's about the opinion of Bowen and Horry being based on WHEN each played against/with each player.
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    Default Re: Bruce Bowen: "Kobe is number 2 behind Jordan, not Lebron."

    Someone already mentioned it, but comparing Lebron and Kobe's number in a vacuum is stupid af for a multitude of reasons. But if you watch basketball, you'll know that the Triangle offense doesn't help you rack up a shitload of assists because everyone eats in the system.

    Not to mention that Kobe NEVER played the small ball, 5-out offense either.

    This makes his numbers even more impressive considering the circumstances.

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    Default Re: Bruce Bowen: "Kobe is number 2 behind Jordan, not Lebron."

    Quote Originally Posted by ImKobe View Post
    Lol I like how you‘be just resorted to blatantly lying now.

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    Default Re: Bruce Bowen: "Kobe is number 2 behind Jordan, not Lebron."

    Quote Originally Posted by LAL View Post
    Did that help him during the 6 finals losses? I know the East was a bloodbath when he only had wade, bosh etc, but did those numbers help him in the finals when diaw, barea, terry, kawhi, Iggy decided to snatch his soul like he was some rookie? They media already awarded lebron for his reg season heroics and well oiled reg season teams, he got his reg season mvps for, plenty.. don't worry about that turbo.
    did those numbers help him in the finals when diaw, barea, terry, kawhi, Iggy decided to snatch his soul like he was some rookie?
    Theres no excusing the 2011 Finals loss. All jokes there. It's fine for me. His "numbers" helped him to be up 2-1 in the 2015 Finals before LeBron's supporting cast didnt show up. In 2014 there's some fair criticism to be made there because there are some compelling arguments.

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    Default Re: Bruce Bowen: "Kobe is number 2 behind Jordan, not Lebron."

    LeBron's supporting outside of Kyrie and LeBron in the 2015 Finals

    His supporting cast shot 108/293 (37%) in the 2015 Finals. That's terrible numbers!

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    Default Re: Bruce Bowen: "Kobe is number 2 behind Jordan, not Lebron."

    Quote Originally Posted by 34-24 Footwork View Post
    Someone already mentioned it, but comparing Lebron and Kobe's number in a vacuum is stupid af for a multitude of reasons. But if you watch basketball, you'll know that the Triangle offense doesn't help you rack up a shitload of assists because everyone eats in the system.

    Not to mention that Kobe NEVER played the small ball, 5-out offense either.

    This makes his numbers even more impressive considering the circumstances.
    Kobe shot far worse despite being on a much better team

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    Default Re: Bruce Bowen: "Kobe is number 2 behind Jordan, not Lebron."

    Quote Originally Posted by Turbo Slayer View Post
    LeBron's supporting outside of Kyrie and LeBron in the 2015 Finals

    His supporting cast shot 108/293 (37%) in the 2015 Finals. That's terrible numbers!
    LeBron's supporting cast in the 2014 Finals

    His entire supporting cast shot 114/258 (44%, ironically similar to Kobe's career FG% which is 45%). The whole team outside of LeBron shot fine but it's not good either. For one, his shooters were having bad nights all day long in the Finals.
    Last edited by Turbo Slayer; 05-15-2020 at 12:12 PM.

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    Default Re: Bruce Bowen: "Kobe is number 2 behind Jordan, not Lebron."

    Quote Originally Posted by Manny98 View Post
    No one cares what bum Bruce Bowen thinks
    Then who cares what those ESPN people say?

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    Default Re: Bruce Bowen: "Kobe is number 2 behind Jordan, not Lebron."

    Quote Originally Posted by rmt View Post
    I'm saying that Horry played with Hakeem during his MVP years and Shaq during his MVP year. He did not play with Duncan during his MVP years



    No, my post is NOT about whether Kobe is better than Lebron or whether Hakeem is better than Shaq or Duncan. It's about the opinion of Bowen and Horry being based on WHEN each played against/with each player.

    Yeah but why would that be what they said? Horry played for the Lakers against a peak Tim Duncan, and he lost. So he got to see.

    PLUS, he left the Lakers following that run and went to the Spurs. Tim Duncan was still at his peak then, even if his individual season and run weren't as singular as the year prior.

    Horry played with and against peak Tim Duncan.

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    Default Re: Bruce Bowen: "Kobe is number 2 behind Jordan, not Lebron."

    Quote Originally Posted by warriorfan View Post
    LeBron played his entire career in the wide open, no hand check, freedom of movement era of the NBA.
    And Curry played in this era too. So if you are going to criticize LeBron, then at LEAST apply yours to every player playing right now. Yes, that includes Stephen Curry. Also Kobe played majority of his career playing after the hand check rule so yeah...

    If you don't apply your standards to every player then you are being inconsistent.

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