1994 Pippen should have been mvp

[Smoke117]

You could say this shit about a ton of players because they had bad games that get overshadowed by their greater ones.

On the topic of disappearing what are you thoughts about the Migraine game or him disappearing on the last 1.8 seconds of a crucial playoff game

Are you still melting down? You ****ing loser.

[tpols]

Dude cant formulate his own arguments

the guy is so played out he has to run to kblaze to make any sense.

but the problem is blaze is a bulls stan who seees reality through those rose tinted glasses.

anybody saying reggie miller wasnt impacting the game just because he wasnt doing a fancy dribble or dime doesnt deserve a seat at the table of this debate.

The man was dropping elite volume on elite efficiency while pouring in the clutchest of buckets and spacing decoying for everybody else.

It's an open and shut case to anyone with an objective eye.

[Roundball_Rock]

So his one calling card was scoring (21 PPG, evidently that is some GOAT-level # now as goal posts move) and being "clutch." So what happened in the biggest games in series that mattered?

Compare this to what Miller did when he had something to play for (i.e., had real pressure):

Game 6 94' ECF: 27/4/4 on 38% (with a trip to the finals on the line)
Game 7 94' ECF: 25/2/0 on 41%

Game 7 95' ECSF: 29/1/3 on 56%
Game 6 95' ECF: 36/7/2 on 68% (to stave off elimination)
Game 7 95' ECF: 12/4/0 on 39%

Game 6 98' ECF: 8/2/0 on 15% (elimination game)
Game 7 98' ECF: 22/0/4 on 54%

Game 6 99' ECF: 8/3/4 on 17% (Pacers eliminated)

Game 5 00' Finals: 25/4/6 on 58%
Game 6 00' Finals: 25/1/3 on 42%

8 points two years in a row in ECF elimination games.

At least Klay can defend the opposing team's best player when his shot is off. Other inferior scorers can provide some creation and passing. Miller? If he is shooting 15% or 38% it is game over.

When Miller was going 25/2/0 Ewing was going 24/22/7 in the same Game 7. Guess which team won and went to the finals?

[Reggie43]

Are you still melting down? You ****ing loser.

Is this dude really gonna talk about meltdowns when basically every reply you have is a meltdown

[RRR3]

So his one calling card was scoring (21 PPG, evidently that is some GOAT-level # now as goal posts move) and being "clutch." So what happened in the biggest games in series that mattered?

Compare this to what Miller did when he had something to play for (i.e., had real pressure):

Game 6 94' ECF: 27/4/4 on 38% (with a trip to the finals on the line)
Game 7 94' ECF: 25/2/0 on 41%

Game 7 95' ECSF: 29/1/3 on 56%
Game 6 95' ECF: 36/7/2 on 68% (to stave off elimination)
Game 7 95' ECF: 12/4/0 on 39%

Game 6 98' ECF: 8/2/0 on 15% (elimination game)
Game 7 98' ECF: 22/0/4 on 54%

Game 6 99' ECF: 8/3/4 on 17% (Pacers eliminated)

Game 5 00' Finals: 25/4/6 on 58%
Game 6 00' Finals: 25/1/3 on 42%

8 points two years in a row in ECF elimination games.

At least Klay can defend the opposing team's best player when his shot is off. Other inferior scorers can provide some creation and passing. Miller? If he is shooting 15% or 38% it is game over.

When Miller was going 25/2/0 Ewing was going 24/22/7 in the same Game 7. Guess which team won?

Well, Ewing is top 5 all time.

[Roundball_Rock]

Well, Ewing is top 5 all time.

True. Ewing>Miller>Kemp>Iggy>Pippen/LeBron.

Are you still melting down? You ****ing loser.

He is acting like limited Reggie didn't routinely disappear in games. He couldn't create shots on his own. He didn't defend. He didn't rebound. He didn't pass. It isn't hard to see how he could be contained. Why does he think Indiana need to rely on Rik Smits, Chuck Person, Schrempf, and Rose so much? Miller was this "alpha alpha" GOAT-level scorer and the guy was operating on Hornacek or Hersey Hawkins usage?

It is obvious why his coaches and opposing coaches viewed him as they did.

[Reggie43]

So his one calling card was scoring (21 PPG, evidently that is some GOAT-level # now as goal posts move) and being "clutch." So what happened in the biggest games in series that mattered?

Compare this to what Miller did when he had something to play for (i.e., had real pressure):

Game 6 94' ECF: 27/4/4 on 38% (with a trip to the finals on the line)
Game 7 94' ECF: 25/2/0 on 41%

Game 7 95' ECSF: 29/1/3 on 56%
Game 6 95' ECF: 36/7/2 on 68% (to stave off elimination)
Game 7 95' ECF: 12/4/0 on 39%

Game 6 98' ECF: 8/2/0 on 15% (elimination game)
Game 7 98' ECF: 22/0/4 on 54%

Game 6 99' ECF: 8/3/4 on 17% (Pacers eliminated)

Game 5 00' Finals: 25/4/6 on 58%
Game 6 00' Finals: 25/1/3 on 42%

8 points two years in a row in ECF elimination games.

At least Klay can defend the opposing team's best player when his shot is off. Other inferior scorers can provide some creation and passing. Miller? If he is shooting 15% or 38% it is game over.

When Miller was going 25/2/0 Ewing was going 24/22/7 in the same Game 7. Guess which team won?

So Miller defending Jordan never happened? He got praise and had the good Jordan defender rep because of his work in that seven game series. Even Jordan himself praised his annoying handchecking physical defense. Every matchup with a star shooting guard he relished going one on one with them. Heck they are youtube videos of him taking the challenge of defending Prime Grant Hill because Mckey's skills has fallen off a cliff at the time and they needed someone to matchup and surely Mullin and Rose are not better options.

[Reggie43]

True. Ewing>Miller>Kemp>Iggy>Pippen/LeBron.



He is acting like limited Reggie didn't routinely disappear in games. He couldn't create shots on his own. He didn't defend. He didn't rebound. He didn't pass. It isn't hard to see how he could be contained. Why does he think Indiana need to rely on Rik Smits, Chuck Person, Schrempf, and Rose so much? Miller was this "alpha alpha" GOAT-level scorer and the guy was operating on Hornacek or Hersey Hawkins usage.

Are you acting that Pippen didnt routinely disappear in games? Remember that 1.8 seconds

[Roundball_Rock]

The second GOAT offensive player, right?

1994 ECF: Miller 25, Ewing 22, Smits 16, Oakley 14. Only 2.6 APG, though.
1995 ECSF: Miller/Smits 22.6 each, Ewing 19, Starks 17. 3.0 APG.
1995 ECF: Shaq 27, Miller 26, Penny 20, Smits 18. 1.1 APG.
1998 ECF: MJ 32, Miller 17, Pippen 17, Smits 16. 2.0 APG.
1999 ECF: Houston 19, Sprewell 18, Johnson 17, Miller 16. 2.2 APG.
2000 ECF: Miller 22, Sprewell 20, Rose 19, Johnson 13. 1.8 APG.
2000 Finals: Shaq 38, Miller 24, Rose 23, Kobe 16. 3.7 APG.

This is Earth-shattering offensive production? The "average of averages" here are 22 with 2.3 APG. GOAT offensive player? That O rating, huh?

Prime Miller in the playoffs averaged 25 PPG from the WNBA three point line; 22.5 PPG from the NBA line. Keep that in mind when reading those 1995 numbers.

His playoff number jump was driven by playing much higher minutes in the playoffs.

[Reggie43]

Seeing that you love to dig into old threads how about searching for a quote where I overrate Miller? Putting words in peoples mouths wont make you credible unless you prove it.

Worst I probably had was about Paul Pierce but imagine seeing Miller at 39 years old destroy the Celtics in 2 playoff games (28 points plus the dagger and 33 points in a blowout) While trigerring the whole Celtic team with his tactics and you would understand why I would rather have Miller than Pierce.

[Overdrive]

the guy is so played out he has to run to kblaze to make any sense.

but the problem is blaze is a bulls stan who seees reality through those rose tinted glasses.

anybody saying reggie miller wasnt impacting the game just because he wasnt doing a fancy dribble or dime doesnt deserve a seat at the table of this debate.

The man was dropping elite volume on elite efficiency while pouring in the clutchest of buckets and spacing decoying for everybody else.

It's an open and shut case to anyone with an objective eye.

Elite volume? Reggie was never that greatbof a scorer. Elite was close to 30 during his prime not about 20. He was way too dependent on teams play to get his game going, because well he he couldn't dribble fancy. The reality is that Reggie was one of the greatest off ball players ever, but it was the only dimension to his game.
The overrating of his game is beyond retarded.

[999Guy]

Elite volume? Reggie was never that greatbof a scorer. Elite was close to 30 during his prime not about 20. He was way too dependent on teams play to get his game going, because well he he couldn't dribble fancy. The reality is that Reggie was one of the greatest off ball players ever, but it was the only dimension to his game.
The overrating of his game is beyond retarded.

Reggie was a better playoff scorer than everyone in the era except Jordan and Hakeem.

[999Guy]

Reggie Miller playoff scoring(90 - 95): 34.4 per 100 poss / .628 TS%

Barkley playoff scoring (89 - 95): 32 per 100 poss / .578 TS%

It really isn’t even a given Hakeem was a better scorer in the playoffs. He’s actually worse in all honesty. Only Jordan was on Millers level as an offensive player in the postseason. Then baby Shaq when Miller was out of prime.

[Reggie43]

Elite volume? Reggie was never that greatbof a scorer. Elite was close to 30 during his prime not about 20. He was way too dependent on teams play to get his game going, because well he he couldn't dribble fancy. The reality is that Reggie was one of the greatest off ball players ever, but it was the only dimension to his game.
The overrating of his game is beyond retarded.

You call Miller overrated then proceed to underrate his game. He got 24.6ppg .514 fg% .414 3p% at his peak which very few players has done at those percentages without the help of modern no handcheck freedom of movement rules.

Too dependent on team play to get going? Non pacers fans always mistake playing the right way for the benefit of the team as a limitation to his game not knowing he could go one on one and "dribble fancy" if he wanted to which he did when they had average teams in the early 90s and early 2000s when they broke up their core. There are tons of clips of these on youtube its just that he was the Goat offball player so he decided to focus on his strengths.

[Reggie43]

Miller had an elite face up game buoyed by a very quick first step that enabled him to shoot his runner, go all the way to the basket or draw fouls. At his peak he was going close to 8 times a game to the line good for 9th in the league and ahead of guys like Olajuwon, Drexler, Dominique etc.