"Pippen was the best player in the world in 93, 94, 95" - Dennis Rodman

[Indian guy]

So whose opinion should we respect? Dudes on the internet?

Yes. An educated fan is 10x more knowledgeable than an athlete. And would certainly never say anything as retarded as Rodman here.

[mehyaM24]

Pippen was 33 and 34 years old. And those teams werent built around him. I remember him complaining about the offense that was centered around Barkley and Olajuwan in Houston.

Pippen was past his prime in Portland. Prime Pippen on that Blazers teams bests the Lakers.

Stats dont tell the whole story. And Pippen was PG. That's why i keep telling you it's about impact. Look at the Wizards with Russell Westbrook and Bradley Beal this year.

so was jordan when he won in 97 & 98. the teams not being "built around pippen" is empty pretext. houston underachieved & the blazers had enough to win it all, but choked. there are also stats that measure impact. most of them conclude that pippen was a great sidekick. as a lead dog though he simply fell short.

[97 bulls]

yes. An educated fan is 10x more knowledgeable than an athlete. And would certainly never say anything as retarded as rodman here.

gtfoh.

[scuzzy]

"and people didn't know that"


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[97 bulls]

so was jordan when he won in 97 & 98. the teams not being "built around pippen" is empty pretext. houston underachieved & the blazers had enough to win it all, but choked. there are also stats that measure impact. most of them conclude that pippen was a great sidekick. as a lead dog though he simply fell short.

Pippen ain't Jordan bro. And Jordan didnt have the milage Pippen had.

Nobody felt the Blazers were good enough to beat the Lakers. You're just throwing stuff out hoping something will stick.

I went back and found an article talking about Pippens tike in Houston. Here are some quotes from Pippen

It's been difficult for me," Pippen said. "It's going to be hard for me to find myself in this offense. They've built the offense around getting the ball in to Charles and Hakeem. For me to get shots, that's not going to happen often."We have to get everybody involved,"Pippen said. "We have to make the game fun for everybody. There are nights when things are not going right. It's time to go to somebody else and get somebody else involved.I'm frustrated," Pippen said. "Playing the minutes I'm playing, I'm not involved in the offense. It makes the game not fun anymore. My next step is to find why this organization wanted me."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pippen-...-with-rockets/

[97 bulls]

I will say that Pippen was not the best player or even in the argument in 93. 94, 95, and 96? Its arguable.

[mehyaM24]

Pippen ain't Jordan bro. And Jordan didnt have the milage Pippen had.

Nobody felt the Blazers were good enough to beat the Lakers. You're just throwing stuff out hoping something will stick.

I went back and found an article talking about Pippens tike in Houston. Here are some quotes from Pippen

It's been difficult for me," Pippen said. "It's going to be hard for me to find myself in this offense. They've built the offense around getting the ball in to Charles and Hakeem. For me to get shots, that's not going to happen often."We have to get everybody involved,"Pippen said. "We have to make the game fun for everybody. There are nights when things are not going right. It's time to go to somebody else and get somebody else involved.I'm frustrated," Pippen said. "Playing the minutes I'm playing, I'm not involved in the offense. It makes the game not fun anymore. My next step is to find why this organization wanted me."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pippen-...-with-rockets/

you're revising history again. portland was up 15 to start the 4th quarter. game 7, on the road, wcf. from the lakers vantage point, its one of the greatest comebacks in nba history. but many regard that quarter as one the biggest chokejobs. pippen was also the leader of that team, and fell short just like i said.

99 houston formed a big 3. just like 2011 miami did. lebron & wade took a while to adjust because their games were ALSO redundant. and like houston they ultimately underachieved. neither get an excuse, so quit making one.

[mehyaM24]

I will say that Pippen was not the best player or even in the argument in 93. 94, 95, and 96? Its arguable.

its not arguable at all. in 94 & 95 it was clearly hakeem. and in 96 it was clearly jordan. from 94-96, pippen was a top 10ish player just like his production indicates.

[97 bulls]

you're revising history again. portland was up 15 to start the 4th quarter. game 7, on the road, wcf. from the lakers vantage point, its one of the greatest comebacks in nba history. but many regard that quarter as one the biggest chokejobs. pippen was also the leader of that team, and fell short just like i said.

99 houston formed a big 3. just like 2011 miami did. lebron & wade took a while to adjust because their games were ALSO redundant. and like houston they ultimately underachieved. neither get an excuse, so not sure why you're making one. they don't get an excuse.

I cant be revising history if I post an article from 1999. You're saying Pippen was the best player on a team that had Olajuwan and Barkley right? They didnt cater to his strengths. Did you even read the article? They didnt use Pippens skillset. It's like using a Lamborghini to tow a boat. Not to mention the Rockets were old. Barkely was a lazy slob. They had name players. Their situation isn't the same as the Heat who had all their big 3 in their prime.

[mehyaM24]

I cant be revising history if I post an article from 1999. You're saying Pippen was the best player on a team that had Olajuwan and Barkley right? They didnt cater to his strengths. Did you even read the article? They didnt use Pippens skillset. It's like using a Lamborghini to tow a boat. Not to mention the Rockets were old. Barkely was a lazy slob. They had name players. Their situation isn't the same as the Heat who had all their big 3 in their prime.

the article you linked is common knowledge. pippen "not getting the ball enough" sounds like the struggles wade & lebron had. losing with a big 3 still means you underachieved though.

[97 bulls]

its not arguable at all. in 94 & 95 it was clearly hakeem. and in 96 it was clearly jordan. from 94-96 pippen was a top 10ish player. just like his production in indicates.

Again. That's YOUR opinion. I wouldn't pick him over Olajuwan in 94. I dont think I'd pick anybody over him in 95. Pippen was on the verge of winning MVP in 96 before he got hurt. He was definitely top 3 in 94-96. Even Max Kellerman said he only thought Olajuwan was better than Pippen in 94.

[97 bulls]

the article you linked is common knowledge. pippen "not getting the ball enough" sounds like the struggles wade & lebron had. not winning with a big 3 still means you underachieved though.

They were old bro. It's not the same thing. Put Pippen, Olajuwan, and Barkley on the same team in their late 20s like the Heat, and they run roughshod over the league.

[mehyaM24]

Again. That's YOUR opinion. I wouldn't pick him over Olajuwan in 94. I dont think I'd pick anybody over him in 95. Pippen was on the verge of winning MVP in 96 before he got hurt. He was definitely top 3 in 94-96. Even Max Kellerman said he only thought Olajuwan was better than Pippen in 94.

hakeem had the best stats, impact analytics & led his team to back 2 back titles. sure its my opinion, but my opinion is backed by facts. i don't smply go off winning however i know that you do. so what happened to "winning is all that matters"? hey when in rome though, right? lol

They were old bro. It's not the same thing. Put Pippen, Olajuwan, and Barkley on the same team in their late 20s like the Heat, and they run roughshod over the league.

ya and they still produced like stars. barkely was top 10ish in individual plus minus. hakeem had top 10 player efficiency etc. look, i was there & watched that team unfold. they didn't live up to their expectation.

[97 bulls]

hakeem had the best stats, impact analytics & led his team to back 2 back titles. sure its my opinion, but my opinion is backed by facts. i don't smply go off winning however i know that you do. so what happened to "winning is all that matters"? hey when in rome though, right? lol

You were comparing then to the Heat. The Heat were younger. Pippen stayed one year with the Rockets and even then, liken I keep telling you, the type offense they ran, wasnt in line with Pippens strengths. That's why I presented the example of using a Lamborghini to tow a boat. Or asking Olajuwan to run the point. They wanted Pippen to be a 3pt shooter.

I dont disagree with your assessment on Olajuwan. But you said Pippen at that time was 10ish. That's insane. I've asked you this question at least 5 times. Show me ANY PLAYER that did what Pippen did in 95. Lead his team in the 5 major categories, run the offense and anchor the number 2 defense with very little support. And still keep his team in playoff contention. Pippen was literally a one man show. No other player can make that claim. NONE!!!!

And yes I'm about winning. And also about context.

[mehyaM24]

You were comparing then to the Heat. The Heat were younger. Pippen stayed one year with the Rockets and even then, liken I keep telling you, the type offense they ran, wasnt in line with Pippens strengths. That's why I presented the example of using a Lamborghini to tow a boat. Or asking Olajuwan to run the point. They wanted Pippen to be a 3pt shooter.

I dont disagree with your assessment on Olajuwan. But you said Pippen at that time was 10ish. That's insane. I've asked you this question at least 5 times. Show me ANY PLAYER that did what Pippen did in 95. Lead his team in the 5 major categories, run the offense and anchor the number 2 defense with very little support. And still keep his team in playoff contention. Pippen was literally a one man show. No other player can make that claim. NONE!!!!

And yes I'm about winning. And also about context.

nah you're muddying the waters here. when you claim "winning is all that matters" that automatically removes context. there were plenty of counter-arguments and "context" posters laid out for you, but you disregarded it for winning. be consistent pal.

i also said top 10ish. hakeem was obviously number 1 from 94-95. which you already agreed with. after that i would take shaq, ewing, drexler, robinson, malone, barkley. and then there is a decent argument for reggie miller. with jordan coming back in 95, the highest i could go with pippen is top 8. from 94-96 that sounds about fair. and its generous too with the rise of guys like grant hill & penny hardaway.