How Taiwan Stayed Open During The Pandemic

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And what's the vaccine survival rate?

I don't think the guy you quoted understands the difference between 0.1% and 0.001%. He probably thinks both are very close.

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Does Taiwan pay taxes to China? If not, it operates on its own.

Also why do you need to bring this up in this thread? What does this have to do with the topic at hand?

He sounds like a Chinese shill to me. Not the first time I've seen him bring it up in a completely unrelated thread. Ignore him.

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That maybe true but I don't think these people enjoyed being locked down all year.

Even if you thought Covid was a hoax, would you agree to masking up and being tracked to avoid the lockdown? Or would you just stick with your beliefs and accept a lockdown?

You are saying to just do nationwide quarantine for 2 weeks and masks for everyone able, right? Not for long-term?

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You are saying to just do nationwide quarantine for 2 weeks and masks for everyone able, right? Not for long-term?

Yep.. basically at the 1st couple of months of the pandemic they closed their borders and went into their healthcare database to force everyone that checked into a hospital with symptoms to quarantine for 2 weeks.. plus they checked travel records and forced everyone that traveled to quarantine for 2 weeks.

I wonder if that would have worked in the West. 2 weeks of forced quarantine for 1 year of no lockdowns?

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Every country's situation is different. Taiwan might be successful at that but you try to implement that in another country, could be a huge disaster.

There are countries where the young people live with old people and they just won't/can't stay away from each other.

I agree.. taiwan's strategy was easier to implement because of a smaller area.. plus their healthcare database was already digital and fully centralized. It would have been difficilt to implement in a larger country..but i wonder if we should all be planning for the next pandemic?

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Are you telling me this will be the last pandemic in our life time? Personally i'd love that to be true.. but unfortunately it doesn't look good.

Sars and Covid19 werent that far apart.. we just got very lucky with Sars.

We can go back and fourth about how Covid19 wasnt that deadly but do you really think the govt wont do another lockdown in the next pandemic?

But yes. My definition of freedom during a pandemic is Taiwan. All businesses opened, everyone had their normal way of life (except for maybe wearing a mask)

My definition of freedom is different from yours. I mean fk.. we are STILL locked down in Ontario. It's ridiculous.

1) No. I'm telling you that the very definition of a pandemic varies from person to person. In fact, one could reasonably argue that there's a influenza "pandemic" every year that kills hundreds of thousands of people, more children than coronavirus, effects nearly every country and infects hundreds of millions of people.

2) We should never want the gov't to lock us down. If you're scared, stay home. But to answer your question more directly, I never said that I "really think the govt wont do another lockdown." In fact, I believe it's entirely possible we have many of the same type of pseudoscientific restrictions in the future, as they're all being written into law as we speak.

3) My definition of freedom looks to be the same as yours, except yours includes the gov't tracking its citizens, forcing all of them wear a masks, and potentially quarantining them based on their perceived "risk".

4) I know I can sound mean AF on here, but I actually have nothing against you personally. You seem like a reasonable person, but super compliant with the official narrative you're given about Covid-19, despite it being a crock of shit.

16 million people die every year of infectious diseases, ~208 million since you started posting. ~4 million died with/from Covid-19 since Jan 2020, median age of death ~80 years old.

For the next 15 seconds, think about how much you cared about the 208 million people who died of infectious diseases (many of them children) since you started posting... and ask yourself why

And then ask why is it that nearly every gov't around the world has implemented policies that divide people, policies that shift blame onto the citizens, policies that bankrupt small businesses / self-dependents, increase the number of people depending on gov't by the millions, and handout trillions of dollars to their corporate interests. Was it to save the hospitals? Save lives? Or do you think that maybe the gov't has ulterior motives?

[Cleverness]

Yep.. basically at the 1st couple of months of the pandemic they closed their borders and went into their healthcare database to force everyone that checked into a hospital with symptoms to quarantine for 2 weeks.. plus they checked travel records and forced everyone that traveled to quarantine for 2 weeks.

I wonder if that would have worked in the West. 2 weeks of forced quarantine for 1 year of no lockdowns?

The virus emerged in 2019. They had millions of people fly in/out from China before they started mass testing. They didn't close their borders until March 19, 2020. I think there's a lot more to this than what you're looking at (lockdowns and test & trace). Cambodia, for instance, had zero deaths w/ Covid-19 in 2020 and they didn't even form a task force until March 2020.

But even so, in terms of sq miles, Taiwan would rank 42nd in area if it were a US state; it's a tiny island.

The virus was in the US in 2019. Some sort of "nationwide lockdown" (totally unconstitutional btw) in March 2020 (?), I assume by whomever the hated president is at the time, is completely out of the picture in the US, but also would be completely unworkable and the results will useless (in terms of virus outcomes) and destructive.

So for exactly 1 month we will shut down pharmacies, nursing homes, elderly care facilities, veterinarians, airplanes, airports, buses, dentists, hospitals, contact tracers, administrators, urgent care centers, doctor offices, cancer screenings, roads, everyone in the energy sector, fire dept, ambulances, plumbing, waste disposal, public transportation, dept of defense, police, CIA, FBI, NSA, DEA, ATF, ICE, grocery stores, agriculture, suppliers, transporters, distributors, warehouses, IT, mfg of medical supplies, medical supply stores, banks, nuclear facilities, Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force, ... you serious Clark?

Oh, and how will you enforce stopping 330 million people from interacting with each other? Will there be drones outside of everyone's house making sure they don't visit their neighbor or heaven forbid help their grandma around the house? Remember, the contact tracers think roughly 75% of transmission occurs within homes.

If you think any of what you're suggesting would work, feel free to start by answering the questions above.

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Yep.. basically at the 1st couple of months of the pandemic they closed their borders and went into their healthcare database to force everyone that checked into a hospital with symptoms to quarantine for 2 weeks.. plus they checked travel records and forced everyone that traveled to quarantine for 2 weeks.

I wonder if that would have worked in the West. 2 weeks of forced quarantine for 1 year of no lockdowns?

You would have to close all travel into the country. We were still letting people in off cruise ships into April 2020. You would have to do a forced quarantine for 2 weeks if they were to come in. It's very difficult to implement and enforce that in a country as large as America tbh