False Narratives that the media created to explain things they didn't understand

[3ba11]

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1) Lebron can't be blamed for any loss except 2011

Teams win games due to 1) superior talent and/or 2) superior brand of ball (chemistry, strategy)

Obviously, an inferior brand of ball will cause favored talent to underachieve like when Lebron's preseason favorites (favored talent) fell to Finals underdog or loser for 6 straight years (11-16') except the Ray Allen miracle... Only a miracle stopped Lebron's weak brand of ball from underachieveing the team's talent for 6 straight years.

So when Lebron's teams lose in 11', 14 or 17, that's Lebron's fault for employing an inferior brand of ball (Luka-ball) that can't yield a dynasty like his opponents (Spurs, Warriors).. Remember that many people including Nick Wright swore that the Cavs would beat the 17' Warriors.. So the talent was there for a dynasty, but not the brand of ball (teammate fits, chemistry, strategy, aka high assist team)

Teammates play better if there's good chemistry and ball movement, so Lebron's cast issues are his own doing (Luka-ball) - it's a low team assist style that puts a lower ceiling on his teammates and team (never a dynasty)


2) Phil taught MJ how to pass

Before Phil arrived, guys like Pippen, Grant and BJ grew by leaps and bounds alongside Jordan.

They grew by leaps and bounds because Jordan had great assist numbers, efficiency and and low turnovers.

Infact, Jordan averaged more assists than Lebron for the first 9 years of their respective playoff careers (85-93' vs. 06-14') before Curry's pace and space era made offense easier for everyone.. And Jordan was called a better point guard then Magic, Isiah and Stockton when he spent 25 games at the position in 89' (30/9/11)..

And when Phil told Jordan to hit Paxson at the end of the 91' Finals, it was just regular coaching and x's and o's - coaches say that every game.. Jordan was already averaging 11 apg in the series.

So the idea that Jordan didn't know how to pass until Phil got there or that he wasn't already a great passer is false.. It's another media creation so they can speak in basic terms about the game (easy job) rather than really analyze what's going on at a higher level (harder job).


3) Jordan only had to score

- In addition to getting more DPOY votes than Pippen every year except 96/97, Jordan averaged more assists than Pippen for their Finals career, playoff career, and regular season career, while also being the only Bull capable of elite APG and point guard play.

In contrast to Jordan being top 5 DPOY from 88-98', Lebron wasn't required to be an all-defender in his 30's - he literally didn't have to be a good defender, IN ADDITION to not having to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry the scoring load)

[SouBeachTalents]

Labor Day weekend and OP's STILL at this shit. Go outside you fcking loser.

[GrayGoat]

Things that are not false narratives: 1-9

[3ba11]

Things that are not false narratives: 1-9

1-9 is a timing coincidence - the only years that Jordan didn't have Pippen were his first few years where nearly EVERYONE loses - Curry, Lebron, Giannis and Durant were lottery in their first few seasons before they figured out the league.

By Jordan's 3rd healthy season (88'), he was making the 2nd Round just like Lebron... Lebron actually had a bummy, 45-win team in his 5th season (08') before Mo taught us that Lebron's skillset BEEDS SHOOTING

In 2009, the Cavs had the #3 defense compared to 19th for the 90' Bulls, while Mo destroyed Pippen across the board offensively (scoring, efficiency, PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48).. So Lebron had a better team on both sides of the ball, yet Jordan still beat him to titles.. Jordan won the next year in 91', while Lebron lost again despite adding Jamison/Shaq to a 66-win league favorite

[ShawkFactory]

90' Bulls, while Mo destroyed Pippen across the board offensively (scoring, efficiency, PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48)

I’ve done this a few times already but it’s fun to watch a human short circuit:

Playoffs
Pippen: 57 TS%, 18.7 PER, .149 WS/48, 5.2 BPM, 1.2 VORP

Mo: 52 TS%, 13.0 PER, .102 WS/48, 0.4 BPM, 0.3 VORP

Lots of bold there for young Scottie. Significantly in every area.

[AirBonner]

I’ve done this a few times already but it’s fun to watch a human short circuit:

Playoffs
Pippen: 57 TS%, 18.7 PER, .149 WS/48, 5.2 BPM, 1.2 VORP

Mo: 52 TS%, 13.0 PER, .102 WS/48, 0.4 BPM, 0.3 VORP

Lots of bold there for young Scottie. Significantly in every area.

[3ba11]

I’ve done this a few times already but it’s fun to watch a human short circuit:

Playoffs
Pippen: 57 TS%, 18.7 PER, .149 WS/48, 5.2 BPM, 1.2 VORP

Mo: 52 TS%, 13.0 PER, .102 WS/48, 0.4 BPM, 0.3 VORP

Lots of bold there for young Scottie. Significantly in every area.

How many more decades will it take of good players crapping the bed alongside Lebron for you to realize that his brand of ball is suboptimal and a paper tiger against adjusting defenses in the playoffs??...

Teammates play better with better chemistry and brand of ball, which Lebron's simpleton Luka-brand doesn't provide in the playoffs.

Essentially, Lebron never evolved out of garbage "heliocentric" offenses that revolve around 1 player and therefore never learned how to play a brand that elevated teammates against better competition.. He only knew how to reduce teammates to spot-up roles and didn't know how to elevate them to playmaker by being an assist target (off-ball, ball movement).

Btw, Lebron also failed to provide the perimeter size/quickness needed to defend his matchups (the opposing forwards hedo or rashard) - Lebron defended a role-playing bum instead to "save energy" (lol.. what a choking bum).. That cost the whole series tbh because there was no one to guard the Magic's forwards.. Weirdest and dumbest decision ever

Mo Williams vs Magic - 18 on 38% :

Jordan never lost with a veteran defense and 18 on 38% from Pippen... let alone as the damn favorite.

Unfortunately, at carry-job scoring levels, Lebron's skillset lacks the brand of ball to beat top teams..

Since he can't beat top teams via carry-job, he needs all-time scorers at sidekick to nearly match his scoring like Wade, AD or Kyrie...

Otoh, guys elite jumpshooting skill like Curry or MJ can carry the scoring load with sufficient brand to beat good teams, so they can win with secondary scorers like Wiggins or Pippen.

It's obviously easier for GM's to build teams with cheap defenders, but that requires 1st options that can carry the scoring load like MJ or Curry, otherwise the GM must hunt for star scoring help and bevies of perennial all-stars (as needed by guys that can't carry the scoring load)

I’ve done this a few times already but it’s fun to watch a human short circuit:

Playoffs

Regular Season

09' Mo Will...'.... 17.2 PER.. 2.3 BPM.. 0.165 WS/48.. 3.1 VORP.... #3 team defense
90' Pippen.....'.. 16.3 PER.. 1.8 BPM.. 0.087 WS/48.. 3.0 VORP.. #19 team defense


^^^ So Lebron has a better team on both sides of the ball, but Lebron-ball is a paper tiger in the playoffs against adjusting opponents, while Jordan's brand thrives by nearly upsetting the champs with a low seed

[AirBonner]

4 chips “suboptimal” stfu

[3ba11]

4 chips “suboptimal” stfu

4 in 20 seasons is trash and not top 10

Especially when he hand-picked the preseason favorite from 11-16' and 20-22'

He mostly lost with super-teams and preseason favorite

He consolidated power from 3 Eastern teams and then bragged about streak of winning the conference

[AirBonner]

4 chips suboptimal yet more successful than 90% of nba franchises

[ShawkFactory]

The short circuiting happened

[3ba11]

The short circuiting happened

Mo didn't join a good team in 2009

the 08' Cavs were a bummy, 45-win team and Lebron averaged 26 on 35% in a 2nd Round loss..

Accordingly, Mo arrived as a proven 17/6 shooter and playmaker that gave Lebron the spacing he needed - he took Lebron to another level..

Otoh, Pippen was breast fed like a baby and the team got much WORSE when he became a starter and got significant minutes in 89'..

You always talk about 1990 but 89' Pippen averaged 15 on 40% as Jordan upset the #1 SRS Cavs, while Mo averaged 18 on 38% as lebron GOT upset by the #4 SRS Magic.

So Lebron never beat a top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from as sidekick (zero carry-jobs against good teams in 2 decades of playing).. Ultimately, at carry-jobs volume, Lebron lacks the efficiency and brand of ball to beat top teams and therefore needs all-time scoring help (can't win with secondary producers like Wiggins or Pippen)

[JohnMax]

This dude seemed calm last off season when Bucks won championship. Now he seems unhinged.

[8Ball]

HoopsNY broke 3ball.

[ShawkFactory]

You always talk about 1990

I most certainly do not.