2023 NBA MVP Straw Poll 3.0 Results

[Street Hunger]

Is Giannis getting ripped off here?

[tontoz]

Is Giannis getting ripped off here?

No. He's missed 16 games, most of the 3 guys, and the Bucks are 10-6 without him. I would say Giannis has the strongest supporting cast.

Definitely a MVP caliber player this just isn't his year.

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[DMAVS41]

They had a new coach for barely a month so try again

The Kings were barely 5 games over .500 when they lost to Philly (barely)

By the way the Nuggets lost to the Spurs with Jokic playing

Yet the Nuggets have a higher bench scoring than the 76ers. Interesting



Jokic's all-time great passing didn't help him against the Suns when he stunk it up enroute to getting swept. So try again. Imagine if Luka had played as bad as Jokic did against them.

Embiid's roster isn't better relative to the Nuggets. Sixers are top heavy and Nuggets have more depth.

Nuggets beat the 76ers in bench scoring btw which follows the eye test and everything I've seen. Amazing what happens when you actually watch games instead of box scores

Cool, tell us more about your gut and watching games. You are arguing about facts.

The Nuggets, heading into tonight's game, have a 106.1 offensive rating without Jokic on the floor. Currently, the worst offensive rating in the league is 109.5. Again, the Nuggets without Jokic would have, by far, the worst offense in the league. That was before tonight...tonight they looked like absolute shit and managed to only score 88 points at home.

You talk about defense a lot...and that is fine, but the Nuggets without Jokic would have the 25th ranked defense in the league....with him, they are better and would have roughly the 10th best defense when Jokic is on the court.

Literally nothing, at all, supports what you say. The Sixers supporting cast is better by all the numbers...including wins and losses....yet you keep going on and on about how deep and great the scorers are on the Nuggets....all the while refusing that these guys only look good when Jokic is on the court with them.

I'll try this one more time...when Jokic is on the court...the Nuggets have, by far, what would be the best offense in the league....an unreal 126.2 offensive rating...no team even cracks 120 currently. When Jokic is not on the court, the Nuggets offense would be, by far, the worst offense in the league.

You can dislike Jokic and think he's not that great, but you can't deny his impact on this team in the regular season. He clearly has had worse help than both Giannis and Joel this season...and has a better record than Joel when they both play. Giannis has a better record, but again...he has a better team and he's basically eliminated because of games missed at this point.

MVP is not a best player award. Giannis, imo, is the best player in the league...

But you keep talking about Joel...and he'd be a fine choice...I hope he gets it, but none of your argument hold up. Jokic has done more in the playoffs than Joel has and he has led his team to a better record...doing so with what seems pretty clearly to be worse help.

At some point one just needs to admit that while they don't like the style...the results are just overwhelming at this point. In the regular season...Jokic has done things very few players could do with a team like this.

[basketballcat]

Embiid: 41W - 21L, won 66% of games he played in
Jokic: 48W - 19L, won 72% of games he played in
Jokic has 7 more wins, 2 less losses, and has a 6% better win rate

Jokic leads the league in box +/- with a HUGE lead.
1. Jokic 13.3
2. Doncic 9.4
3. Embiid 9.1

Jokic also leads the league in value over replacement player with another MASSIVE lead
1. Jokic 8.8
2. Doncic 6.4
3. Embiid 6.0

Jokic is literally the league's most valuable player. In fact, if the Mavs had been winning, Embiid wouldn't be in the MVP conversation at all.

Yes, yes, defense. Hold up. Wait, wait, wait.

Jokic: 1.2 spg, 9.4 def reb per game
Embiid: 1.1 spg, 8.4 def reb per game

Embiid has no case over Jokic. Jokic is the clear MVP this year.