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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Do you see how hard it is to win with only 18 points from sidekick?
 Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents
He still played MUCH better than Maxwell did in that series, Harper did too. The crazy thing is they win Game 6 Starks would've been FMVP 
He shot 2-18 in Game 7. That's unbelievable.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
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Re: Do you see how hard it is to win with only 18 points from sidekick?
 Originally Posted by 1987_Lakers
And you responded by posting a LIE. "Great efficiency".

Your post supported the OP by posting a one-off
My response was 100% correct except the efficiency part - Maxwell was amazingly clutch
Regardless, you get the point- only the GOAT won with weak stats from a sidekick AS A STANDARD, while anyone else did it in one-off fashion or couldn't do it at all (lefraud)
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Do you see how hard it is to win with only 18 points from sidekick?
 Originally Posted by 3ba11
Your post supported the OP by posting a one-off
My response was 100% correct except the efficiency part - Maxwell was amazingly clutch
Regardless, you get the point- only the GOAT won with weak stats from a sidekick AS A STANDARD, while anyone else did it in one-off fashion or couldn't do it at all (lefraud)
Why did you lie?
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Re: Do you see how hard it is to win with only 18 points from sidekick?
 Originally Posted by 1987_Lakers
Why did you lie?
It was an assumption, not a lie and it didn't change the point being made (that only the GOAT can routinely win Finals with 18 from a sidekick)
And why did your post attempt to refute the OP but infact support the OP by providing examples of everyone else's one-off capability compared to the GOATS standard capability???
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Do you see how hard it is to win with only 18 points from sidekick?
 Originally Posted by 3ba11
It was an assumption
You assumed wrong.
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Re: Do you see how hard it is to win with only 18 points from sidekick?
 Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents
Nope, Duncan won 3 in that fashion.
So Duncan is the only guy that sniffs MJ's ability to win with less?
And I think one of those Finals saw a franchise player teammate win FMVP (kawhi), while another Final was won with another franchise player at sidekick (robinson)
Accordingly, only the GOAT fulfills the criteria of routinely winning with weak scoring help and supplementary players as teammates (not franchise players)
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Re: Do you see how hard it is to win with only 18 points from sidekick?
 Originally Posted by 1987_Lakers
You assumed wrong.
it didn't change the point being made (that only the GOAT can routinely win with less help.like what Jokic had tonight
And why did your post attempt to refute the OP but infact support the OP by providing examples of everyone else's one-off capability compared to the GOATS standard capability???
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Re: Do you see how hard it is to win with only 18 points from sidekick?
 Originally Posted by 3ba11
So Duncan is the only guy that sniffs MJ's ability to win with less?
And I think one of those Finals saw a franchise player teammate win FMVP (kawhi), while another Final saw Duncan win with another franchise player at sidekick (robinson)
Accordingly, only the GOAT fulfills the criteria of routinely winning with weak scoring help and supplementary players as teammates (not franchise players)
Duncan's '03 title was more impressive than any of Jordan's. Led the team in points, assists, rebounds & blocks and won with his 2nd option averaging less than 15 ppg on 47%TS.
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Young Money
Re: Do you see how hard it is to win with only 18 points from sidekick?
stacked team
But the team, led by Scottie Pippen and an increased role from both Horace Grant and B. J. Armstrong were able to lead the Bulls to a 55-win season, only 2 wins less than the 1992-93 team, which had Jordan.
https://www.nba.com/bulls/history/pi...jordan-1993-94
grocery bagging rivals
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Re: Do you see how hard it is to win with only 18 points from sidekick?
 Originally Posted by SouBeachTalents
Duncan's '03 title was more impressive than any of Jordan's. Led the team in points, assists, rebounds & blocks and won with his 2nd option averaging less than 15 ppg on 47%TS.
Duncan only needing 24 ppg due to superior offensive help, such as 3 HOF teammates with Pippen-level scoring ability that split the scoring duty (Parker, Robinson, Ginobili... and also Stephen Jackson)
So no one carried the scoring load like Jordan, who also led in assists and steals for various title runs (and blocks in 91') and he was basically tied with Rodman for the rebounding lead in 97' Playoffs (7.9 to 8.3).. that's unbelievable for a shooting guard..
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Verticle?
Re: Do you see how hard it is to win with only 18 points from sidekick?
 Originally Posted by 3ba11
That was 13 ppg on great efficiency and clutch, while MJ won 2 Finals with 15.7 on worst-ever efficiency and clutch from a sidekick..
Pippen had the worst efficiency ever for a playoff run of 15 games and 35 mpg - he did this twice in 96' and 98'
But the point is that only jordan ROUTINELY won with 18 from a sidekick - everyone else did it in one-off fashion
Btw, Pippen is also 0/6 in matching Horry's gamescore from the 95' Finals, so Hakeem had far more help in 95' than MJ ever had
The amount of BS that is spewed by this guy.
Basketball isn't just numbers and X's and O's.
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Re: Do you see how hard it is to win with only 18 points from sidekick?
Tony Parker and Ginobili weren't in their primes in 03, 3ball is retarded. You can't just name names and act like it's their prime version or else I can easily counter by saying MJ got destroyed by the Pistons despite having Pippen and Grant.
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Re: Do you see how hard it is to win with only 18 points from sidekick?
 Originally Posted by red1
Pippen inherited a fully-grown 3-peat dynasty in 94' but he simply wasn't a franchise player, so any team with him as the best scorer will fall out of contention QUICKLY due to lack of talent, even a 3-peat dynasty like we saw in 95'
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Young Money
Re: Do you see how hard it is to win with only 18 points from sidekick?
I would love to see jordan go up against a long-armed defender like kawhi
man was lighting up midgets - just look how small starks is compared to him
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