How do you go about ranking Kobe Bryant?

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe played well in game 7 vs boston. It was a super tight and grimy low scoring game. Kobe brought it big on the boards and on defense. Was a beyond the boxscore game for sure.

The boxscore tells you it was a tight, grimy low scoring game and that Kobe was on the boards, dumbass.


Yeah he brought it on defense by sagging 5 ft off Rondo every possession to save energy for his shotmaking on offense.

[ArbitraryWater]

You could argue he was even better through 6 games of that 2010 series than the year before vs. Orlando

Thats huge that before he shot 6/24 he might have been better than when he shot 43% the previous year.

[ArbitraryWater]

Kawhi - I'll give him his TOR ring and outstanding defense, but IMO he's too injury-prone and doesn't play enough to be in front of Kobe (or many people who put in the work night after night, year after year - it's like the regular season doesn't exist for him - only the playoffs - that's like cheating just preparing/playing for playoffs).

5 rings is plenty to separate him from Barkley.

No comment on West as I didn't watch him play.

You can look at rings last.

They have absolutely no value if you just go by them without first evaluating if the play to acquire those rings was higher and the reason for why that player has rings and the other does not.


Youre still too warped in the ringz universe.

[ArbitraryWater]

He's arguably the greatest player to ever to step foot onto a basketball court after Jordan. There's really only a small handful of guys who have a case over him.

Stats exist purely for reference. This obsession with "efficiency" has been nothing but a detriment to basketball analysis. If you're seriously debating as to whether or not Kobe is top 10 or god forbid top 20, just log off and delete your username.

No argument, as expected.


Yeah, I bet coaches dont care about their players being efficient either, right?

Makes no difference to them between deciding to start Player A or Player B.





Stick to the OTC griffith

[warriorfan]

The boxscore tells you it was a tight, grimy low scoring game and that Kobe was on the boards, dumbass.


Yeah he brought it on defense by sagging 5 ft off Rondo every possession to save energy for his shotmaking on offense.

he made the adjustment to sag off of rondo to dare him to shoot because that was by far the weakest part of his game and it allowed him to cover a lot more space for help defense, and it worked.

you are talking to someone who watched the full game live, you aren’t gonna pass any bullshit off to me

[tontoz]

If you haven’t seen the thinking basketball on Kobe it’s pretty good. But he breaks down statistics that shows his shot selection wasn’t as detrimental as it might appear on the surface. there are certain games where he shot them out of the game for sure but overall it wasn’t a huge as negative as it might seem

In the finals the Pistons defensive game plan was centered around Kobe's selfishness. They put Wallace on Shaq without help knowing Ben couldn't guard him. They bet that Kobe wouldn't be willing to give the ball up enough to make them pay for it.

[tpols]

In the finals the Pistons defensive game plan was centered around Kobe's selfishness. They put Wallace on Shaq without help knowing Ben couldn't guard him. They bet that Kobe wouldn't be willing to give the ball up enough to make them pay for it.

If you judge everybody by their worst series everybody would be considered a scrub except for Mike Jordan and Bill Russell.

[tontoz]

If you judge everybody by their worst series everybody would be considered a scrub except for Mike Jordan and Bill Russell.

It wasn't an issue of having a bad series. It was the fact that the opponents game plan was centered around his selfishness. And it worked.

The Pistons didn't just randomly decide to play that way. They did it based on Kobes history.

It isn't a case of someone just going through a shooting slump or facing a bad matchup. It was a case of Kobe being extremely selfish.

[tpols]

The Lakers ORTGs post Shaq were

2006 - 8th offensive rank, 9th in team assists
2007 - 7th offensive rank, 6th in team assists
2008 - 3rd offensive rank, 4th in team assists (pre-Pau)
2009 - 3rd offensive rank, 2nd in team assists
2010 - 11th offensive rank, 15th in team assists


For somebody who didn't pass the ball, Kobe sure was the headliner for top assist teams and he led 5 championships in dimes.

Kobe probably has the most assists in Lakers history outside Magic Johnson.

A lot of you guys just don't live in reality.

[tpols]

It wasn't an issue of having a bad series. It was the fact that the opponents game plan was centered around his selfishness. And it worked.

The Pistons didn't just randomly decide to play that way. They did it based on Kobes history.

It isn't a case of someone just going through a shooting slump or facing a bad matchup. It was a case of Kobe being extremely selfish.

And yet we've seen just as bad from Lebron in 2011 where he refused to shoot and cratered his team in a huge upset loss (factually by the odds and context). Yet a lot of people still have him top 5 GOAT.

Kobe would've been by far the best player in your franchises history, but you're biased.

You kind of remind me of Xiao who said he would take Gobert over Kobe or Kidd.

It's just... purely irrational and not looking at the whole scope of things.

[tontoz]

The Lakers ORTGs post Shaq were

2006 - 8th offensive rank, 9th in team assists
2007 - 7th offensive rank, 6th in team assists
2008 - 3rd offensive rank, 4th in team assists (pre-Pau)
2009 - 3rd offensive rank, 2nd in team assists
2010 - 11th offensive rank, 15th in team assists


For somebody who didn't pass the ball, Kobe sure was the headliner for top assist teams and he led 5 championships in dimes.

Kobe probably has the most assists in Lakers history outside Magic Johnson.

A lot of you guys just don't live in reality.

The reality is that Kobes high in his prime was 6 assists per game. He played 40.7 minutes per game that year and was 3rd in usage rate.

The team had a high assist rate because of Phil Jackson, not Kobe.

[tpols]

The reality is that Kobes career high was 6 assists per game. He played 40.7 minutes per game that year and was 3rd in usage rate.

The team had a high assist rate because of Phil Jackson, not Kobe.

You're an idiot if you think Phil was more responsible for the Lakers success than Kobe. Just like you'd be an idiot so say he was more responsible for the Bulls success than MJ.

The triangle wasn't Phil's concoction. He stole it off Tex Winter.

[tontoz]

You're an idiot if you think Phil was more responsible for the Lakers success than Kobe. Just like you'd be an idiot so say he was more responsible for the Bulls success than MJ.

The triangle wasn't Phil's concoction. He stole it off Tex Winter.

I didn't say their success was due to Phil, I said he was responsible for their high number of assists. RIF

It doesn't matter who created the offense. As the head coach it was his decision what offense to run.

[dankok8]

I agree that Kobe is a lot better than his stats because efficiency depends on the shots you take. He was his team's designated tough shot taker which cratered his efficiency but looking at different categories of scoring, he looks pretty elite. Case in point iso scoring which comprises over a third of his attempts and he converts at 88th percentile. Also if you look at different areas of the floor, you can see he's anywhere from above average to superb in just about all of them.

[ImKobe]

The reality is that Kobes career high was 6 assists per game. He played 40.7 minutes per game that year and was 3rd in usage rate.

The team had a high assist rate because of Phil Jackson, not Kobe.

Yes, because Kobe wasn't a great passer and didn't have a bunch of hockey assists and passes that led to FTs for his bigs due to the triangle lol. Phil surely didn't say that KB was the best playmaker he had ever coached (better than Pip and MJ), right?

In 2013 under D'antoni, Kobe made the switch to PG mid-season (he was averaging 29.2 ppg on 57.18%TS through 42 games) with injuries & all and averaged 7.5 assists per game for a 36-game stretch until he tore his achilles.