How do you go about ranking Kobe Bryant?

[warriorfan]

He played into Detroit's hands, the Pistons were playing Shaq one on one all series long and instead of feeding him the ball, Kobe went selfish mode like he usually did and shot them out of the series. This was at the height of the Shaq-Kobe feud and Kobe wanted to prove to everyone that it was his team while hurting his team in the process.

Ok.

So he underperformed in a Finals vs possibly the greatest defense of all time.

Case closed. Maybe we should push him out of the top 75 while we are at it

[1987_Lakers]

Ok.

So he underperformed in a Finals vs possibly the greatest defense of all time.

Case closed. Maybe we should push him out of the top 75 while we are at it

Nobody is sayomg that, you excused his performance because it was a "GOAT defensive team", I simply provided more context.

[elementally morale]

She actually watched Kobe Bryant while you were in some special education class filling out coloring books

Is she really a she? The last female I remember posting here was eons ago.

[fsvr54]

Ok.

So he underperformed in a Finals vs possibly the greatest defense of all time.

Case closed. Maybe we should push him out of the top 75 while we are at it

This is a good point actually. In 2004 and 2008 Kobe faced the two greatest defensive teams of all time. That level of all-time D has to be accounted for.

[HoopsNY]

With Kobes size, athleticism and skill why didn't he have at least one season with a TS of 60%?

That isn't exactly a high bar and he never even got close.

Not sure many were in that era. Don't think Kobe, AI, T-Mac, Vince, Houston, Finley, Pierce, or even Redd had a 60% TS% season from 2000-10. The only one who was really doing it was Ray Allen and he was an elite shooter. And get this, he played 18 seasons and only did it a total of 5 times.

**Just checked and Pierce did it twice. Once in 2010 and once in 2011, but you get the point.

[warriorfan]

Not sure many were in that era. Don't think Kobe, AI, T-Mac, Vince, Houston, Finley, Pierce, or even Redd had a 60% TS% season from 2000-10. The only one who was really doing it was Ray Allen and he was an elite shooter. And get this, he played 18 seasons and only did it a total of 5 times.

**Just checked and Pierce did it twice. Once in 2010 and once in 2011, but you get the point.

yeah I had an argument with a friend a little while back about this and I told him to go look at every top wing from that era and tell me what you find. lol.

[Phoenix]

kobe got shut down by a GOAT defense in legit probability the toughest defensive era. the league had to rewrite the rule book because of them

The Spurs were the top DRtg team that year, and Kobe was a respectable 26ppg/46% in overcoming them two rounds earlier.

The Lakers couldn't stop Detroit. Mailman was injured. Kobe thought taking 30 more shots than Shaq who was averaging 26ppg/63% was the smart play. Take your pick.

[warriorfan]

The Spurs were the top DRtg team that year, and Kobe was a respectable 26ppg/46% in overcoming them two rounds earlier.

The Lakers couldn't stop Detroit. Mailman was injured. Kobe thought taking 30 more shots than Shaq who was averaging 26ppg/63% was the smart play. Take your pick.

That Detroit team was one of the best defensive teams of all time in probably the toughest defensive era ever in the NBA

If you want to say this statement is false, go for it

[warriorfan]

Is she really a she? The last female I remember posting here was eons ago.

Earlier in this thread she said she is a woman and she’s been watching basketball for along time then Arbitrary Water tried to dismiss her opinion like she didn’t know what she’s talking about. When she actually watched the games he’s trying to pretend to know so much about.

[Phoenix]

That Detroit team was one of the best defensive teams of all time in probably the toughest defensive era ever in the NBA

If you want to say this statement is false, go for it

You're equally free to go for whichever of my above statements you believe to be false.

[elementally morale]

Earlier in this thread she said she is a woman and she’s been watching basketball for along time then Arbitrary Water tried to dismiss her opinion like she didn’t know what she’s talking about. When she actually watched the games he’s trying to pretend to know so much about.

Great. Here are some flowers for her then.

[warriorfan]

You're equally free to go for whichever of my above statements you believe to be false.

spurs being an amazing defensive team doesn’t make detroit’s any worse

that’s not how it works

i’m not going to dig for stats and i’m not trying to be rude but if you don’t believe the 04 Pistons was one of the best defensive teams of all time…

I’m sorry just gonna have to disengage from this conversation

[warriorfan]

Great. Here are some flowers for her then.

she deserves them

[tontoz]

Not sure many were in that era. Don't think Kobe, AI, T-Mac, Vince, Houston, Finley, Pierce, or even Redd had a 60% TS% season from 2000-10. The only one who was really doing it was Ray Allen and he was an elite shooter. And get this, he played 18 seasons and only did it a total of 5 times.

**Just checked and Pierce did it twice. Once in 2010 and once in 2011, but you get the point.

None of those guys are considered top 10 players, or even close. Not only did Pierce do it twice, he also had seasons of 59.9 and 59.5.

MJ had 4 straight seasons of 60% TS even though he didn't shoot many 3s. Kobe shot far more 3s which should help his efficiency relative to MJ.

[warriorfan]

What I find somewhat fascinating is how people can hate on a player they never watched and don’t know much about.

When I was a child maybe 6-8 years old I remember my first ever attempt at learning more about the players of the game from….the back of basketball trading cards. That was pretty much all we had to go with back then. A sports center update or the newspaper isn’t going to have much information about older players. We would read the backs of cards and look at their numbers. What’s funny about this is this was our earliest most rudimentary attempt of figuring out who’s better….and it was career totals, lol. Which of course much later we learned doesn’t mean nearly as much as we thought it did (which is funny because lebron guys still use this grade school analysis of career totals) But that’s another post for another time.


Eventually we came across a sports almanac and when we got to Wilt. Holy ****. My mind went the same place it went when in school your teacher tries to describe how there are more stars than grains of sand in all of the earth’s beaches. Completely stretching the imagination.

I was a warriors fan but was a huge MJ fan obviously. I didnt immediately instinctually (or ever in that case) go into a frenzy about “BS! NO WAY HE HAS MORE POINTS THAN JORDAN. THIS IS BULLSHIT. WILT SUCKS!!!!

I don’t know what happened. But it seemed to be this used to not be a thing.