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01-31-2024, 08:41 PM
#466
Re: MLB Season Discussion Thread: 2023
Originally Posted by John8204
So you are saying Maris shouldn't have won those two MVP's. Was Todd Helton ever a top five player in the league. You can quibble over who got what award but inducting someone who was never even in the conversation. When you've decided to marginalize MVP's and Cy Youngs for advanced stats and longevity numbers what you really end up doing is hurting both. Because Helton loses his credibility as a true Hall of Famer because we are talking about the players who aren't in. The Baseball hall of fame is less what you did to get in and more what excuse can we use to keep you out.
I don't believe it's black and white like this at all. And I shudder at you calling OPS an advanced stat. It's easily quantifiable with two of the 3 most important numbers in hitting there is. But anyway, you don't have to put sole emphasis on either and can analyze their careers as they should be. I'm not going to throw aside someone for winning an MVP or a Cy if they actually had the best season and deserved it.
Johan Santana is a good example actually, and someone who I believe should be in. He was legitimately one of the top 2-3 pitchers in baseball for a good 5 or so years, both when it came to award voting and actual numbers. He deserved those Cy's.
Outside of the steroid guys, with whom a line has clearly been drawn whether you agree with it or not (I personally believe they should get it but is what it is at least they're consistent about it), who is not in that is a better player than Helton was? Again, he was losing out both on shine and MVP votes to the roid guys and Pujols. If you put everything in a vacuum and take out the steroids then Helton is still one of the best hitters of any era.
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02-06-2024, 08:21 PM
#467
Burning Spirit!
Re: MLB Season Discussion Thread: 2023
Bobby Witt Jr signed a new contract with the Royals; 14-years, 11-years guaranteed, $288.7 million dollars. It's the largest contract in franchise history.
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02-23-2024, 10:37 PM
#468
Re: MLB Season Discussion Thread: 2023
Originally Posted by BurningHammer
Bobby Witt Jr signed a new contract with the Royals; 14-years, 11-years guaranteed, $288.7 million dollars. It's the largest contract in franchise history.
Good move there. Idk if he’ll ever be an MVP level player. He could be I guess but more importantly he’s the type of dude who will completely turn a franchise around with the way he approaches the game and the type of leader I’m certain he’ll be.
People will flock to him.
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03-04-2024, 11:32 AM
#469
NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: MLB Season Discussion Thread: 2023
Pirates world series catch Ott dead at 72
RIP
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03-28-2024, 11:39 AM
#470
They’re eating cats!
Re: MLB Season Discussion Thread: 2023
IT'S OPENING DAY 2024!!!!
As is customary for me, I welcome this season by showing you the most impressive homerun I have ever witnessed:
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03-29-2024, 11:31 AM
#471
NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: MLB Season Discussion Thread: 2023
brewers open the season against the Mets LOL
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03-29-2024, 12:37 PM
#472
Burning Spirit!
Re: MLB Season Discussion Thread: 2023
2024 Blue Jays is such a mixed bag. Still, it looks like Alek Manoah away to go deep into the playoffs.
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03-29-2024, 01:18 PM
#473
They’re eating cats!
Re: MLB Season Discussion Thread: 2023
My favorite baseball player right now: Nelson Cruz
Why? Cause he's the only player still playing that's older than me.
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03-29-2024, 06:02 PM
#474
NBA Legend
Re: MLB Season Discussion Thread: 2023
Brewers 1 hit the Mets today for a 3-1 win!!! First time ever they've been held to 1 hit on opening day. (they were rained out yesterday)
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03-29-2024, 08:50 PM
#475
Re: MLB Season Discussion Thread: 2023
The Braves are going to have another 162 games of spring training. We can completely coast to 100 wins.
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03-29-2024, 09:00 PM
#476
They’re eating cats!
Re: MLB Season Discussion Thread: 2023
Originally Posted by ShawkFactory
The Braves are going to have another 162 games of spring training. We can completely coast to 100 wins.
I gave up on that game after they took out Strider. Offense was dead. And then look at what happens.
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03-29-2024, 09:02 PM
#477
Lol
Re: MLB Season Discussion Thread: 2023
Braves hoping to avoid their daddies the Phillies this year.
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03-30-2024, 10:00 AM
#478
NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: MLB Season Discussion Thread: 2023
Originally Posted by Hey Yo
Brewers 1 hit the Mets today for a 3-1 win!!! First time ever they've been held to 1 hit on opening day. (they were rained out yesterday)
Brew crew look good .... their rookie Chourio right fielder was awesome !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yelich looked like the old ... I think he is going to have a great year.
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03-30-2024, 11:59 AM
#479
Re: MLB Season Discussion Thread: 2023
Originally Posted by RRR3
Braves hoping to avoid their daddies the Phillies this year.
Absolutely not. I want them again.
They’ll come in overconfident after the last 2 years and we’ll fvcking destroy them. Baseball works that way.
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03-30-2024, 07:42 PM
#480
NBA Legend
Re: MLB Season Discussion Thread: 2023
Glad to see NYM retiring Doc Gooden's number. Ceremony is April 14th.
That kid was a bad motherfukker when he broke in.
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