Did the Jokic fans get ahead of themselves?

[tontoz]

With guys that didn't win elsewhere and were able to make the jump when playing with Bird.

Dennis Johnson won a title with Seattle. Boston drafted McHale and Ainge. Not sure what you are talking about.

[j3lademaster]

With guys that didn't win elsewhere and were able to make the jump when playing with Bird.

Well, in that case Jokic’s guys weren’t able to win anywhere without him(i know kcp won in LA, but DJ won in Seattle too, just keeping it consistent). See the excuses that come out when its a player you like?

[John8204]

Dennis Johnson won a title with Seattle. Boston drafted McHale and Ainge. Not sure what you are talking about.

And was so toxic that he got moved to Phoenix. And Walton, Archibald, and Parish made the playoffs a combined 4 times before joining the Celtics

[tontoz]

And was so toxic that he got moved to Phoenix. And Walton, Archibald, and Parish made the playoffs a combined 4 times before joining the Celtics

Seattle made the finals twice with DJ and won once so he couldn't have been that toxic

Walton was MVP and also won a title so two of his teammates got rings without Bird

Parish only played 4 years in GS

[And1AllDay]

They were talking about how his "GOAT run" starts now. Talking about multiple championships like it ain't a thing. Like it was a given.

But on Any Given Sunday...

cotdamn op cookin up these bois crispyyy

[John8204]

Seattle made the finals twice with DJ and won once so he couldn't have been that toxic

Walton was MVP and also won a title so two of his teammates got rings without Bird

Parish only played 4 years in GS

The sonics traded DJ for a guy 4 years older on an expiring contract, Walton got dumped by Portland and ended up on the Clippers.

Bird won with drafted guys and throwaways which Jokic could also win with but he hasn't.

[tontoz]

The sonics traded DJ for a guy 4 years older on an expiring contract, Walton got dumped by Portland and ended up on the Clippers.

Bird won with drafted guys and throwaways which Jokic could also win with but he hasn't.

Lol Seattle fell off a cliff after DJ left. They made the finals twice with him.

Then with the Suns he made first team All NBA defense twice. And he made 1st team All NBA with the Suns but in your mind he was a throwaway?



DJ was far more accomplished than anyone Jokic has ever played with. None of Jokic's current teammates have even made an all Star game.

[hold this L]

I am not the one crying. Are you really that butthurt about the thread comparing Jokic to Curry? Get a grip

29/11/8 against the best defense in the league is folding?

Who said anything about folding? Jokic had a good series but lost, it happens.

[guy]

Once an all-time great wins it all for the first time, and if he's in his prime with a good supporting cast that is also in their prime and returning for the most part, its completely reasonable to think they have the chance to repeat and possibly start a run of multiple championships. The same scenario happened with Magic, Bird, Jordan, Hakeem, Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, Lebron, Steph/KD at least in terms of winning 1 or more championships after winning their first while in their prime and with a good supporting cast. Its only recently this didn't pan out with both Giannis and Jokic.

[elementally morale]

Once an all-time great wins it all for the first time, and if he's in his prime with a good supporting cast that is also in their prime and returning for the most part, its completely reasonable to think they have the chance to repeat and possibly start a run of multiple championships. The same scenario happened with Magic, Bird, Jordan, Hakeem, Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, Lebron, Steph/KD at least in terms of winning 1 or more championships after winning their first while in their prime and with a good supporting cast. Its only recently this didn't pan out with both Giannis and Jokic.

The Nuggets as a team were much worse this year than last. Jokic himself was slightly worse but the rest of the players, especially the bench players were nowhere near their previous level. Had Jokic played the same brilliant basketball he did in last year's playoffs they would've had more of a chance. This year we was simply very good / great but not otherworldly. However, last year's win was a team effort (as is this year's early loss). So if we fault the rest of the team this year we have to praise them last year. All things considered it was a decent but not good enough effort. I'm looking forward to seeing what they will do next season. They need to change because the competition will be even greater. What changes they do as a team and as individuals will be interesting.

[bdonovan]

Whether most fans know it or not, they support Jokic because he 'represents them' in a game that features players that don't look like them. He is their feeling of belonging. Black fans often support him for social approval.

Jokic is a great player who is the beneficiary of the "Euro Pass" (along with Giannis, and others) getting favorable officiating, while being surrounded by a complementary set of teammates and a very well coached team. He himself deserves enormous credit for facilitating that offense. Is a high IQ player who knows how to win by making his teammates better.

That said, he is overrated as a player and only won the MVP when his stats were inflated thanks to Murray's absence. His bad nature is completely hidden by a sycophantic media. For instance he forearm shoved ANT as the last game wound down in anger. He got off scot free. Same with his injuring a player for months. Actually the victim of his assault received a fine, not him.

In the end, it's difficult to gauge ability individually and as a team, because the NBA is deciding winners and losers by how they officiate games. Perhaps they thought the Denver small market narrative is over-played and wanted to crown new big names, create the next Jordan.

Even with that said, Jokic and co didn't deserve to win. Both teams clogged the paint and when Denver needed him the most, he went 2-10 from the 3 pt line. You can't win like that when outside shooting is your primary option against a smothering defense. Jokic also got frustrated at his own teammates for turnovers he was responsible for, lacked energy for defense in the 2nd half (due to lack of conditioning), and generally could not offensively or defensively produce what his team needed.

[FultzNationRISE]

Whether most fans know it or not, they support Jokic because he 'represents them' in a game that features players that don't look like them. He is their feeling of belonging. Black fans often support him for social approval.

Jokic is a great player who is the beneficiary of the "Euro Pass" (along with Giannis, and others) getting favorable officiating, while being surrounded by a complementary set of teammates and a very well coached team. He himself deserves enormous credit for facilitating that offense. Is a high IQ player who knows how to win by making his teammates better.

That said, he is overrated as a player and only won the MVP when his stats were inflated thanks to Murray's absence. His bad nature is completely hidden by a sycophantic media. For instance he forearm shoved ANT as the last game wound down in anger. He got off scot free. Same with his injuring a player for months. Actually the victim of his assault received a fine, not him.

In the end, it's difficult to gauge ability individually and as a team, because the NBA is deciding winners and losers by how they officiate games. Perhaps they thought the Denver small market narrative is over-played and wanted to crown new big names, create the next Jordan.

Even with that said, Jokic and co didn't deserve to win. Both teams clogged the paint and when Denver needed him the most, he went 2-10 from the 3 pt line. You can't win like that when outside shooting is your primary option against a smothering defense. Jokic also got frustrated at his own teammates for turnovers he was responsible for, lacked energy for defense in the 2nd half (due to lack of conditioning), and generally could not offensively or defensively produce what his team needed.

Whether you realize it or not, everyone here thinks you are deeply mentally disturbed.

[tontoz]

Whether you realize it or not, everyone here thinks you are deeply mentally disturbed.

That is the same guy who thought Markeif Morris was just trying to stop the fast break when he ran across the court to drill Jokic (down big with 2 minutes left in the 4th).

The same guy who said Draymond was totally justified for his spinning forearm which dropped Nurkic.

He definitely needs a checkup from the neck up.

[FultzNationRISE]

That is the same guy who thought Markeif Morris was just trying to stop the fast break when he ran across the court to drill Jokic (down big with 2 minutes left in the 4th).

The same guy who said Draymond was totally justified for his spinning forearm which dropped Nurkic.

He definitely needs a checkup from the neck up.

He’s also authored such hits as “nba commercials are all subliminally racist” and “giannis is bleaching his skin to appear less black.”

Sadly I think hes a genuinely schizotypal.

[tontoz]

He’s also authored such hits as “nba commercials are all subliminally racist” and “giannis is bleaching his skin to appear less black.”

Sadly I think hes a genuinely schizotypal.

Somehow i missed those but they are perfectly in character.