If Kyrie makes the Finals without Lebron, it ruins Lebron's career and goat case

[3ba11]

Btw, we also know HOW the Mavs will lose the Finals - they will lose 3 straight games to lose the series once the Celtics solve Luka-ball the same way opponents solved Bron-ball - Bron lost 3 straight games to lose nearly every series that he lost, as opponents figured out bron-ball and couldn't lose thereafter.

[3ba11]

Wade was not the best sidekick while they were winning chips, he was actually the worst if you just include their 2013 run. He wasn't even top 10 in 2012, probably has a discussion for it. AD was his best sidekick in 2020.

AD was arguably not the sidekick in 2020, since he led the Lakers in scoring for the regular season and playoffs, while also leading the entire league for the playoffs and dominating Jokic in the "real" Finals.

Since AD was arguably the 1st option in 2020, your argument fails..

Of course, I've always believed that Lebron's ring count should be reduced by the ones that he choked away, so I include 2011 when discussing his ring count.

[ShawkFactory]

Btw, we also know HOW the Mavs will lose the Finals - they will lose 3 straight games to lose the series once the Celtics solve Luka-ball the same way opponents solved Bron-ball - Bron lost 3 straight games to lose nearly every series that he lost, as opponents figured out bron-ball and couldn't lose thereafter.

See this is what I’m alluding to with your predictions. The Celtics very well might win the series should Dallas hold on against Minny. And if so, you’ll claim to be this genius.

When in reality you’ll have made the exact same prediction for the same reasons on 3 occasions and been right once.

[Hey Yo]

I disagree... Kyrie and Brown are comparable - Kyrie has the far better resume and accomplishments.

After that, Luka has a bunch of really great role players and so do the Celtics...

I think it's extremely even but Tatum will win due to superior chemistry that results from his skillset, while the Mavs are saddled with a brand of ball that has proven to underachieve in the long run (bron/luka-ball), especially on the Finals level

What has Kyrie accomplished without James? Has he lead a team to the ECF like Brown has?

[Duffy Pratt]

I was being nice by calling them "theories"

It's literally the historical record that ball-dominators like Lebron mostly lose, regardless of cast.

What you say here happens to be true, but again not for the reason you say. Almost everyone in NBA history mostly loses. That includes ball-dominators, and it also includes expert jump shooters. Jordan played 15 seasons. He mostly lost.

There are only a handful of people who have played in the NBA and mostly won. They all played with Bill Russell or George Mikan. Everyone else mostly lost.

[90sgoat]

Btw, we also know HOW the Mavs will lose the Finals - they will lose 3 straight games to lose the series once the Celtics solve Luka-ball the same way opponents solved Bron-ball - Bron lost 3 straight games to lose nearly every series that he lost, as opponents figured out bron-ball and couldn't lose thereafter.

Celtics won't solve Luka ball.

Celtics are a 3 point chucking team, but instead of Curry and Klay, they have Brown and Tatum, both have not been shooting well this postseason. They also don't move like Warriors at all, but just drive and kick.

You also seem to think Tatum is a catch and shoot player, while he is more like a slow and prodding Kawhi, except he doesn't have the midrange.

[ImKobe]

The funny thing is, LeBron's best overall sidekick while they were winning chips was AD and he never even made it past the 2nd round without him.

Bron missed the Playoffs and lost in the 1st round multiple times with AD so what's his excuse?

[SouBeachTalents]

Bron missed the Playoffs and lost in the 1st round multiple times with AD so what's his excuse?

kawhileonard2 level post.

[jlip]

So just "making the finals" is now considered an accomplishment again?

[SouBeachTalents]

So just "making the finals" is now considered an accomplishment again?

Lmao, I didn't even think about that angle. Or doing it as your teams 2nd leading scorer. Can't wait to see OP try to weasel his way out of this one

[ImKobe]

Lmao, I didn't even think about that angle. Or doing it as your teams 2nd leading scorer. Can't wait to see OP try to weasel his way out of this one

OP is using Lebron stan logic against them. Imagine we tried to argue Jerry West as one of the top 5 GOATs because he made the Finals 9 times in a weak ass Conference. That's what Bran stans used to make his case for years here. Like great, we're supposed to give you points for beating mediocre ass teams with 0 1st team All-NBA players on the road to another Finals blowout loss.

Ironically enough, Lebron has the same record in the Finals as Jerry West, who won 1 out of his 9 series with a 22 - 33 overall record.

[SouBeachTalents]

OP is using Lebron stan logic against them. Imagine we tried to argue Jerry West as one of the top 5 GOATs because he made the Finals 9 times in a weak ass Conference. That's what Bran stans used to make his case for years here. Like great, we're supposed to give you points for beating mediocre ass teams with 0 1st team All-NBA players on the road to another Finals blowout loss.

Ironically enough, Lebron has the same record in the Finals as Jerry West, who won 1 out of his 9 series with a 22 - 33 overall record.

He also has double Kobe's FMVP count.

[ShawkFactory]

OP is using Lebron stan logic against them. Imagine we tried to argue Jerry West as one of the top 5 GOATs because he made the Finals 9 times in a weak ass Conference. That's what Bran stans used to make his case for years here. Like great, we're supposed to give you points for beating mediocre ass teams with 0 1st team All-NBA players on the road to another Finals blowout loss.

Ironically enough, Lebron has the same record in the Finals as Jerry West, who won 1 out of his 9 series with a 22 - 33 overall record.

Not really. He’s arguing that what someone does (Kyrie in this case) changes what another person did.

It blatantly doesn’t track.

[ImKobe]

Not really. He’s arguing that what someone does (Kyrie in this case) changes what another person did.

It blatantly doesn’t track.

Well, people use Pippen's '94 season to discredit MJ's greatness so it's fair game for 3Ball to do the same with Kyrie, right? And Bron stans for years celebrated whenever Kyrie got injured and/or his team lost early in the Playoffs like it somehow made Lebron's 2016 title matter more because Irving had no Playoff success without him lol.

Plenty of "Kyrie can't win without Lebron" and "Lebron made Kyrie" posts have been made here over the years. Certain posters on their alts still do the classic "Lebron won with 0 all-stars in 2016" shit too.

[1987_Lakers]

He also has double Kobe's FMVP count.