MJ's 1988 DPOY is now being "Questioned". HOME vs ROAD Steals has twice as much Gap

[3ba11]

Yeah just as I figured. 24 second violation, dribbled off foot out of bounds and pass off fingers out of bounds = 3 Jordam steals. Irrefutable.

There's no play-by-play data to know what plays were credited to Jordan - he's just making up plays that were credited to Jordan when he has no idea if they were.. Somehow you fell for it

He can count up Jordan's steals in a game but he doesn't know if all those steals were credited to Jordan or not.. Play-by-play data is needed to do this analysis.

Uncut Hoops did it for 97' because we have play-by-play data.. Of course Uncut found no cheating by scorekeepers and this is no surprise because there were always better reasons for home inflation, such as teams playing better at home and this gap in home-road performance was bigger in prior eras when road conditions and records were much worse.. This home-road dynamic explains the normal level of home inflation that exists in every era, while the one-offs of massive inflation could be due to any number of reasons that affect a player's home/road performance for that particular year.. So Haberstroh and Nick Wright are just frauds and bad at it.

[sdot_thadon]

There's no play-by-play data to know what plays were credited to Jordan - he's just making up plays that were credited to Jordan when he has no idea if they were.. Somehow you fell for it

He can count up Jordan's steals in a game but he doesn't know if all those steals were credited to Jordan or not.. Play-by-play data is needed to do this analysis.

Uncut Hoops did it for 97' because we have play-by-play data.. Of course Uncut found no cheating by scorekeepers and this is no surprise because there were always better reasons for home inflation, such as teams playing better at home and this gap in home-road performance was bigger in prior eras when road conditions and records were much worse.. This home-road dynamic explains the normal level of home inflation that exists in every era, while the one-offs of massive inflation could be due to any number of reasons that affect a player's home/road performance for that particular year.. So Haberstroh and Nick Wright are just frauds and bad at it.

Who needs play by play data for a game you're watching the entirety of and have the ability to pause and rewind wtf. And no he was pretty clear about the 3 turnovers not appearing in the boxscore and also not being able to find 3 of the steals they credited to Mj. Correlation is practically done for you as long as you don't have rocks for brains. You choosing not to respect the source because you don't like his message is no where near refuting a study.

[8Ball]

Yeah just as I figured. 24 second violation, dribbled off foot out of bounds and pass off fingers out of bounds = 3 Jordam steals. Irrefutable.

The more sunlight we shine unto the 90s, the worst off it looks vs today.

[3ba11]

Who needs play by play data for a game you're watching the entirety of and have the ability to pause and rewind wtf. And no he was pretty clear about the 3 turnovers not appearing in the boxscore and also not being able to find 3 of the steals they credited to Mj. Correlation is practically done for you as long as you don't have rocks for brains. You choosing not to respect the source because you don't like his message is no where near refuting a study.

You don't know what plays they credited as turnovers without the play-by-play data.

And there's so many tiny deflections on shots or passes but you don't know which ones were let go or which ones were in the play-by-play data as a stat.. It's a useless exercise and therefore any attempt to have a 2nd subjective review overrule the original is fraudulent... This is the case until play-by-play data began in 97'

[3ba11]

Who needs play by play data for a game you're watching the entirety of and have the ability to pause and rewind wtf. And no he was pretty clear about the 3 turnovers not appearing in the boxscore and also not being able to find 3 of the steals they credited to Mj. Correlation is practically done for you as long as you don't have rocks for brains. You choosing not to respect the source because you don't like his message is no where near refuting a study.

You don't know what plays they credited as turnovers without the play-by-play data.

And there's so many tiny deflections on shots or passes but you don't know which ones were let go or unseen versus which ones were in the play-by-play data as a stat.. So it's a useless exercise and therefore any attempt to have a 2nd subjective review overrule the original is fraudulent... This is the case until play-by-play data began in 97'

[And1AllDay]

The more sunlight we shine unto the 90s, the worst off it looks vs today.

+1 brother man

[Phoenix]

This popped up on my feed last night, just to add to the conversation.

[red1]

Baldan is a scam artist


We already knew this

[3ba11]

This popped up on my feed last night, just to add to the conversation.

Another dumb video that was quickly debunked in the comments - the video maker acknowledged the revelation in the comments in response to the original commenter that pointed it out.

The data showed that Jordan's blocks were deflated by the same amount that the steals were inflated by - scorekeepers were crediting Jordan's blocks as steals due to a ruling in the 90's that deflections on shots outside the paint were recorded as steals instead of blocks.. This accounts for 100% of the inflation and is a far more normal reason than league-wide cheating by scorekeepers - that was always an absurd conclusion driven by the now widespread fraud to turn the biggest loser in league history into the GOAT.

So that's it... But carry on and keep latching onto the latest fraud - but being a sucker is no way to live - maybe try considering the facts and objective truth in this post.

Again, there were 2 teams with positive road records in 1988 compared to half the league today (15 teams).. So road records and conditions were far worse in previous eras, which accounts for "normal" levels of home inflation in previous eras, and this has gradually decreased as road records improved over time.. This accounts for the normal levels of home inflation that everyone has , while the one-offs of massive inflation like 90' Hakeem, 22' AD, 88' Jordan or 23' Jackson could be due to any number of factors such as personal issues affecting home and road performance for that particular year.. The point is that there are far better reasons for the normal inflation or one-offs of massive inflation than league-wide cheating by scorekeepers, smh... And of course the eye tests of Haberstroh and now Arnett are disqualified based on the aforementioned deflation of blocks that matches the inflation of steals, which shows that scorekeepers were crediting blocks as steals - this fact along with the lack of play-by-play data to know which plays to dispute or if a deflection was missed or credited as a stat - these things disqualify any notion that a 2nd subjective review should overrule the original one done by the scorekeepers.. These analysis cannot be done without play-by-play data.

[Phoenix]

So that's it... But carry on and keep latching onto the latest fraud - but being a sucker is no way to live - maybe try considering the facts and objective truth in this post.

What the fukk are you going on about? All I did was post the video without offering any insight into the contents. So latching onto....what, exactly? You really are the biggest c*nt on this forum and that's saying something.

The only thing I actually took from the video, if you remove how the stats were tracked, is how active MJ actually was if the ball was anywhere within his vicinity and if anything, he probably legitimately averaged 2 blocks a game that year which would more impressive than 3 steals IMO, whether they were legitimately tracked or otherwise.

Now shut the fukk up and go take your meds.

[1987_Lakers]

This popped up on my feed last night, just to add to the conversation.

Looks like the only person who went back to watch the games confirmed what the article said.

MJ is cooked.

[3ba11]

What the fukk are you going on about? All I did was post the video without offering any insight into the contents. So latching onto....what, exactly? You really are the biggest c*nt on this forum and that's saying something.

The only thing I actually took from the video, if you remove how the stats were tracked, is how active MJ actually was if the ball was anywhere within his vicinity and if anything, he probably legitimately averaged 2 blocks a game that year which would more impressive than 3 steals IMO, whether they were legitimately tracked or otherwise.

Now shut the fukk up and go take your meds.

You should be posting what I just posted to debunk the obvious fraud that tries to show league-wide cheating by scorekeepers - you should be seeking out the obvious facts that aren't hard to find to dispute this nonsense.. but instead , you're posting the debunked video as if "lookee here guys... Look what we have here" as if it's legit - that makes you part of the fraud I'm afraid.. and I must treat you as such

[3ba11]

Another fraud video was posted this time by Johnny Arnett, which was quickly debunked in the comments - the video maker acknowledged the revelation in the comments in response to the original commenter that pointed it out.

The data showed that Jordan's blocks were deflated by the same amount that the steals were inflated by - scorekeepers were crediting Jordan's blocks as steals due to a ruling in the 90's that deflections on shots outside the paint were recorded as steals instead of blocks.. This accounts for 100% of the inflation and is a far more normal reason than league-wide cheating by scorekeepers - that was always an absurd conclusion driven by the now widespread fraud to turn the biggest loser in league history into the GOAT.

So that's it... But carry on and keep latching onto the latest fraud - but being a sucker is no way to live - maybe try considering the facts and objective truth in this post.

Again, there were 2 teams with positive road records in 1988 compared to half the league today (15 teams).. So road records and conditions were far worse in previous eras, which accounts for "normal" levels of home inflation in previous eras, and this has gradually decreased as road records improved over time.. This accounts for the normal levels of home inflation that everyone has , while the one-offs of massive inflation like 90' Hakeem, 22' AD, 88' Jordan or 23' Jackson could be due to any number of factors such as personal issues affecting home and road performance for that particular year.. The point is that there are far better reasons for the normal inflation or one-offs of massive inflation than league-wide cheating by scorekeepers, smh... And of course the eye tests of Haberstroh and now Arnett are disqualified based on the aforementioned deflation of blocks that matches the inflation of steals, which shows that scorekeepers were crediting blocks as steals - this fact along with the lack of play-by-play data to know which plays to dispute or if a deflection was missed or credited as a stat - these things disqualify any notion that a 2nd subjective review should overrule the original one done by the scorekeepers.. These analysis cannot be done without play-by-play data

[3ba11]

Looks like the only person who went back to watch the games confirmed what the article said.

MJ is cooked.

RIGHT NOW - you're at a crossroads in your life - you can choose to continue being a sucker and falling for frauds, or you can say "today is the day that I enlighten myself and carefully read the previous post above that debunks the fraud"

It's up to you.

[Phoenix]

You should be posting what I just posted to debunk the obvious fraud that tries to show league-wide cheating by scorekeepers - you should be seeking out the obvious facts that aren't hard to find to dispute this nonsense.. but instead , you're posting the debunked video as if "lookee here guys... Look what we have here" as if it's legit - that makes you part of the fraud I'm afraid.. and I must treat you as such

You have no clue as to why I posted it. In fact, the ending conclusion of the video seemed to be that MJ was disruptive enough that regardless of stat tracking the DPOY award was still warranted. You're focused on the stats because that's all you focus on( like boiling everything to PPG). It's like the guy said, Rodman didn't even average a block or steal in his DPOY campaigns but nobody would dispute his impact as a defender.

Once again, shut the fukk up. LMAO at you thinking I need to tailor my posts to meet your standards or I'm 'treated as such'. Imagine a sad little basement dweller like you thinking you have some relevance.