Lebron has 4 gold medals and 6 silver medals.

[StrongLurk]

I've never seen anyone ever try to dispute that. It's a straw man argument created by Bronies.

However, one finals WIN is worth more than an infinite number of second places.

It's not a strawman, it's probably a top-3 "go to" point for Lebron haters. They try their hardest to make it seem like going 4-6 in the finals is some colossal failure in Lebron's career

[Im Still Ballin]

How do we account for a weak conference? Was Cleveland truly the second-best team in 2007? Of course not!

[StrongLurk]

How do we account for a weak conference? Was Cleveland truly the second-best team in 2007? Of course not!

Do you want to go that route every single year? Feel free to try that exercise every year since 1970 and post your results on ISH.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Stupid comparison.

If you finish 2nd in the Olympics, you get a silver medal.

If you lose the NBA finals, you get nothing.

That's weird, I guess they take back the conference championship trophy and celebration if you lose the finals?

Good insight

[Full Court]

It's not a strawman, it's probably a top-3 "go to" point for Lebron haters. They try their hardest to make it seem like going 4-6 in the finals is some colossal failure in Lebron's career

Show me one person that's ever claimed that it's better not to make it to the finals than to lose the finals. Just one person.









Hint: you can't.





And by the way, when you say "not six...not seven....." then yes, it's a colossal failure. And when you have the biggest finals choke in the history of the sport, you can't be the GOAT. Sorry, but that's just the truth - hurt as it may.

[iamgine]

Iguodala: 1 gold medal, 3 silver medals

[StrongLurk]

Iguodala: 1 gold medal, 3 silver medals

[StrongLurk]

Show me one person that's ever claimed that it's better not to make it to the finals than to lose the finals. Just one person.









Hint: you can't.





And by the way, when you say "not six...not seven....." then yes, it's a colossal failure. And when you have the biggest finals choke in the history of the sport, you can't be the GOAT. Sorry, but that's just the truth - hurt as it may.

It's been said millions of times on social media and even ISH itself. I'm sure you yourself have tried to paint Lebron going 4-6 in the finals as this awful, resume killing thing. I would say "quit acting dumb" but you just are dumb so...

[sdot_thadon]

It's not a strawman, it's probably a top-3 "go to" point for Lebron haters. They try their hardest to make it seem like going 4-6 in the finals is some colossal failure in Lebron's career

You're talking about guys who still build their arguments with stone tools in 2024 though. It's only really an issue when someone is being disingenuous and try to equate rings to level of play, assuming you can't have possibly have had an all time great year without winning the finals. Or played at a higher level than someone who managed to win another season. Maybe next they will discover fire.....

[Full Court]

It's been said millions of times on social media and even ISH itself. I'm sure you yourself have tried to paint Lebron going 4-6 in the finals as this awful, resume killing thing. I would say "quit acting dumb" but you just are dumb so...

Yes, he massively underachieved. When you lose the finals as a favorite with home court advantage due to the star choking, that adds context. You can try to sugar coat it all you want, but the dude underachieved.

Bronies have no counter to that except to create a straw man and try to twist that into someone saying it's better to not make the finals. That's just silly, and you know it.

Now, again, show me someone who's claimed that it's better to not make the finals.




Hint: you can't.

[StrongLurk]

Yes, he massively underachieved. When you lose the finals as a favorite with home court advantage due to the star choking, that adds context. You can try to sugar coat it all you want, but the dude underachieved.

Bronies have no counter to that except to create a straw man and try to twist that into someone saying it's better to not make the finals. That's just silly, and you know it.

Now, again, show me someone who's claimed that it's better to not make the finals.




Hint: you can't.

How has Lebron massively underachieved? He has 4 FMVPs, second most all time.

He literally lost one finals as the favorite, which was 2011. And he deserves tons of criticism for that because he played poorly in that 2011 series.

It's hilarious that you are saying "no one misrepresents Lebron's finals performances" and yet you are literally doing that in your own posts

[Full Court]

How has Lebron massively underachieved? He has 4 FMVPs, second most all time.

He literally lost one finals as the favorite, which was 2011. And he deserves tons of criticism for that because he played poorly in that 2011 series.

It's hilarious that you are saying "no one misrepresents Lebron's finals performances" and yet you are literally doing that in your own posts

You put quotation marks around something I literally didn't say.

See, all you can do is try to twist the arguments of Lebron critics. Fact is, he didn't meet expectations. He himself claimed he'd win eight titles.

But that aside - the argument his critics put forward is that you Bronies give him way to MUCH credit for making it TO the finals when he had an incredibly easy road there in the Weak East for many of his finals....only to then lose on the big stage. That is a sound argument. NOBODY has EVER said or implied it would have been better for him to have gotten eliminated in the first round in the Weak East (like he did in the West by Phoenix and Denver ). But surely you know that's not what was meant and are just trying to twist things in your favor. Or are you guys really that dumb.......?

[StrongLurk]

You put quotation marks around something I literally didn't say.

See, all you can do is try to twist the arguments of Lebron critics. Fact is, he didn't meet expectations. He himself claimed he'd win eight titles.

But that aside - the argument his critics put forward is that you Bronies give him way to MUCH credit for making it TO the finals when he had an incredibly easy road there in the Weak East for many of his finals....only to then lose on the big stage. That is a sound argument. NOBODY has EVER said or implied it would have been better for him to have gotten eliminated in the first round in the Weak East (like he did in the West by Phoenix and Denver ). But surely you know that's not what was meant and are just trying to twist things in your favor. Or are you guys really that dumb.......?

Bro TONS of Lebron haters think Lebron going 4-6 in the finals is the WORST thing about him. Having a "losing record" in the finals and claim its some kind of huge failure.

Even you said he massively underachieved by "only" winning 4 rings/4 FMVPs.

Either way, the guy has 4 1st place finishes and 6 second place finishes. I agree he should've at least won 2011 however. Either way it's still insanely impressive.

[Full Court]

Bro TONS of Lebron haters think Lebron going 4-6 in the finals is the WORST thing about him. Having a "losing record" in the finals and claim its some kind of huge failure.

Even you said he massively underachieved by "only" winning 4 rings/4 FMVPs.

Either way, the guy has 4 1st place finishes and 6 second place finishes. I agree he should've at least won 2011 however. Either way it's still insanely impressive.

The worst thing about Lebron is his choking, not his finals record....

And yes, I agree that his finals record is enough to get him in the top ten of all time.

But what we've demonstrated here is that you can't show a single instance of someone claiming it's better to not make the finals. Which makes the entire premise of this thread invalid.

You're welcome.

[Gudo]

Bro TONS of Lebron haters think Lebron going 4-6 in the finals is the WORST thing about him. Having a "losing record" in the finals and claim its some kind of huge failure.

Even you said he massively underachieved by "only" winning 4 rings/4 FMVPs.

Either way, the guy has 4 1st place finishes and 6 second place finishes. I agree he should've at least won 2011 however. Either way it's still insanely impressive.

When you put yourself in the GOAT debate, there is an inherent high expectation that comes with it. Lebron has played in a number of loaded teams (a lot of which he handpicked), and the benefit of a weak conference. But the ability to play consistently when the stakes are highest (finals), is a huge mark of a great player.