israel supporters - i have a bridge to sell you.

[Patrick Chewing]

@Baller234 @Patrick Chewing

i've been thinking about this today because this is a subject that bothers me on a moral level. it's clear that we're not going to agree on most things related and that's fine because this is a polarizing subject for obvious reasons, whatever they may be according to the individual(s).

if we could focus on what we can agree on and leave it at that, that's progress. the loss of innocent life on either side. i said it in a previous post and i'll say it again because it's the easiest thing in the world for me to do.

i have no issue willingly condemning hamas for all of the innocents that they've killed, tortured, held hostage, whatever, what-have-you, before, on and after oct 7th. dead innocent jews/israelis is something nobody, including myself wants to see, period, full-stop, no excuses.

if there's anything you'd like me to add to that, within reason, i have no problem doing it.

i ask you to meet me halfway. *uck the noise you hear from the media, anybody here and anybody on the left that says otherwise. you're having a back & forth with me here and me alone. if there's any intentional killing, intent to kill, injure or intentionally starve innocent brown women and children on the part of the israeli government, you'd have no problem condemning this i assume. i ask you to be thorough and complete with your condemnation as i was.

let's meet each other halfway and end this conversation on a positive note. because i'd be fine and content with that and i assume you would too. am i not being reasonable?

If there is intentional killing by Israel of innocent civilians, then of course it is wrong. I just don't see that. And with a nation like Israel being under the microscope as they are by the world community, you would think such events if they were taking place, would have garnered enough media attention and attention by world leaders for someone to do something about it.

Israel made a decision to wipe out Hamas at all costs. Where does Hamas hide? Under hospitals and residential buildings. Israel warns residents to vacate the area, while Hamas threatens them to stay in place.

So my argument would be, that it is Israel who is doing the most to save innocent lives, while Hamas are the ones repeatedly putting them in danger.

There is no alternative by the way in case you were wondering. If Israel doesn't cripple Hamas or kill it off completely, then they will eventually regroup and attack Israel again.

But yeah, all this talk of genocide by Israel is just done in attempt to elicit strong emotions by the poorly educated to come over to the pro-Palestinian side.

[diamenz]

If there is intentional killing by Israel of innocent civilians, then of course it is wrong.

alright, let's toast to that then. i'm not gonna push
it any further than that because it won't lead anywhere good as i'm sure you'd agree. we don't see eye to eye on very much past this threshold. so cheers.

i'm not disregarding everything else you said btw, but this was all i was interested in.

[highwhey]

If there is intentional killing by Israel of innocent civilians, then of course it is wrong. I just don't see that.

are you fukkin stupid? you 400 pound retard.



https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2024/9/6/uk-doctor-80-of-gaza-victims-i-treated-were

On his first visit to the Gaza Strip, Daniel Day-Lewis meets the Palestinian families living in the heart of the danger zone and the psychologists who are counselling them.

Mossa’ab, the interpreter, leads the way, carrying a white Medecins Sans Frontieres (MSF) flag. Its psychology team, myself and the photographer Tom Craig are in full view of an Israeli command post occupying the top floors of a large mill. It is draped in camouflage netting, as is the house close by. It is to this house that we are heading, across 200 yards of no man’s land; the last house left standing in an area once teeming with life.

Civilians have been the main victims of the violence inflicted by both sides in the Middle East conflict. In the Gaza Strip the Israeli army reacts to stone-throwing with bullets. It responds to the suicide bombs and attacks of Palestinian militants by bulldozing houses and olive groves in the search for the perpetrators, to punish their families, and to set up buffer zones to protect Israeli settlements. It bars access to villages, and multiplies checkpoints, cutting Gaza’s population off from the outside world. MSF’s psychologists are trying to help Palestinian families cope with the stress of living within these confines; visiting them, treating severe trauma and listening to their stories. Their visits are the only sign sometimes that they have not been abandoned.

Israel’s tanks and armour-plated bulldozers can come with no warning, often at night. The noise alone, to a people who have been forced to suffer these violations year after year, is enough to freeze the soul. Israeli snipers position themselves on rooftops. Householders are ordered to leave; they haven’t even the time to collect pots and pans, papers and clothes before the bulldozers crush the unprotected buildings like dinosaurs trampling on eggs ” sometimes first mashing one into another, then covering the remains with a scoop of earth. Those caught in the incursion zone will be fired on. Even those cowering inside their houses may be shot at or shelled through walls, windows and roofs. The white flag carried by humanitarian workers gives little protection; we’ll have warning shots fired at us twice before the week is out.

Sometimes a family will not leave an area that is being cleared, believing if they do leave they will lose everything. It is a huge risk to remain. Sometimes a house is left standing, singled out for occupation by Israeli troops. The family is forced to remain as protection for the soldiers. Last year an average of 120 houses were demolished each month, leaving 1,207 homeless every month. In the past four years 28,483 Gazans have been forcibly evicted; over half of Gaza’s usable land, mainly comprising citrus-fruit orchards, olive groves and strawberry beds, has been destroyed. Last year, 658 Palestinians were killed in the violence in Gaza, and dozens of Israelis. This ploughing under, house by house, orchard by orchard, reduces community to wasteland, strewn and embedded with a stunted crop of broken glass and nails, books, abandoned possessions. As we weave our way towards the home of Abu Saguer and his family ” one of several families we will visit today ” we are treading on shattered histories and aspirations.

Abu Saguer’s own house is still standing, but its top floor and roof are occupied by Israeli soldiers. His granddaughter Mervat is with us, a sweet, shy seven-year-old with red metal-rimmed glasses, her hair in two neat braids held by flowery bands. She wears bright-red trousers and a denim jacket. Last April her mother heard an Israeli Jeep pull up briefly at the military-access road in front of their house. Some projectile was fired and when Mervat reappeared ” she had been playing outside ” she was crying and her face was covered in blood. They washed her. Her right eye was crushed. A month later in Gaza an artificial eye was fitted. It was very uncomfortable, so a special recommendation was needed from the Palestinian Ministry of Health to finance a trip to Egypt for one that fitted properly. Mervat needs this eye changed every six months, so the ministry must negotiate with Israel each time for permission to cross the border. Fifty cars are permitted to cross each day; each must carry seven people.

Abu Saguer has five sons and four daughters “You’ll go broke with more than that,” he says. He lives near the big checkpoint of Abu Houli in southern Gaza. He wants the photographer, Tom Craig, to take his picture and put it on every wall in England, Germany and Russia. He is 59. At 12 he went out to work, and at 16 he began to build the house he had dreamt of, “slowly, slowly” as a home and as a gathering place for his extended family. He had grown up in a house made of mud in Khan Yunis, which let the water in whenever it rained, and all his pride, hope and generosity of spirit had invested itself in this ambition. He had worked in Israel, like so many here, before the borders were closed to all men aged between 16 and 35.

For over 20 years, Abu Saguer had his own business, selling and transporting bamboo furniture. During the second Gulf war all his merchandise was stolen. After that he relied on his truck for income. He had cultivated 300 square metres of olive trees, pomegranates, palms, guavas and lemons in the fields around his home. After the start of the second intifada (Palestinian uprising) his crops were destroyed by the Israeli army ” for “security”. A road that services the Israeli settlements of Gush Katif had been built, and during our visit the traffic passes freely backwards and forwards, along the edge of the barren land where his orchards once flourished.

[highwhey]

alright, let's toast to that then. i'm not gonna push
it any further than that because it won't lead anywhere good as i'm sure you'd agree. we don't see eye to eye on very much past this threshold. so cheers.

i'm not disregarding everything else you said btw, but this was all i was interested in.

why are you afraid to call him out for what his fatass is? he's a dumbass.

[diamenz]

why are you afraid to call him out for what his fatass is? he's a dumbass.

sometimes you have to take what you can get and just rest with it bro. this subject has worn me out at this point and makes me depressed when i talk about it. i just wanna be through with it and rest knowing and believing he takes issue with 30,000 dead children. that's all you're gonna get sometimes bro. trying to change people's minds on this subject is wasted energy. i'll leave that to you guys if you wanna go that route.

[highwhey]

sometimes you have to take what you can get and just rest with it bro. this subject has worn me out at this point and makes me depressed when i talk about it. i just wanna be through with it and rest knowing and believing he takes issue with 30,000 dead children. that's all you're gonna get sometimes bro. trying to change people's minds on this subject is wasted energy. i'll leave that to you guys if you wanna go that route.

yeah you're right about that. waste of key strokes.

[diamenz]

what more do you need to hear?

chewing, condemn this nonsense and i'll leave you alone on this subject. i need to know your heart is in the right place.

mine is, as i've made crystal clear in my good-faith post. keep it simple bro. it's better that way.

[Patrick Chewing]

highweight is a fat neo-Nazi. I don't pay any attention to what that clown says. Al-Jazeera.....of course lol.

Highweight, Alan, whatever your refried bean ass is named, go eat a bag of d*cks. You're one of the main reasons why this board is terrible.

[highwhey]

highweight is a fat neo-Nazi. I don't pay any attention to what that clown says. Al-Jazeera.....of course lol.

Highweight, Alan, whatever your refried bean ass is named, go eat a bag of d*cks. You're one of the main reasons why this board is terrible.

nothing you say will change the fact that you weigh 400 pounds.

[diamenz]

Al-Jazeera.....of course lol.

al jezeera is just the messenger. i don't care for them either. i'm asking you to condemn the content of the video itself. it's real.

[diamenz]

al jezeera is just the messenger. i don't care for them either. i'm asking you to condemn the content of the video itself. it's real.

condemn this nonsense bro and i'm off your back. this is easy. it's a no-brainer.

[highwhey]

condemn this nonsense bro and i'm off your back. this is easy. it's a no-brainer.

dude's got horseblinders on when it comes to the evil stuff the idf is doing

[diamenz]

dude's got horseblinders on when it comes to the evil stuff the idf is doing

and you're helping here? you think you're incentivizing him to condemn that by saying some shit like this?

[highwhey]

and you're helping here?

absolutely. i bring the truth to light. if i ever support a nation committing straight up mass murder, feel free to call me out.

[diamenz]

condemn this nonsense bro and i'm off your back. this is easy. it's a no-brainer.

i want you to think about what you're endorsing by not condemning this chewing. especially as a christian. you're endorsing the killing of innocent children.

i've made my condemnation of hamas and their intentions clear. silence from you on this i can only assume you endorse the killing of innocent children.

give me something to condemn in return if you'd like. condemn it and i'll get off your back on this subject for good. you have my word.