23-year old KD was on pace for GOAT but Lebron's decision stole his organic chip

[3ba11]

Jordan's career without Pippen is frankly embarrassing.

#notmyGOAT

Everyone's career is embarrassing for their first few years, such as lottery for Jokic, Lebron, Curry, Giannis, KD ,- basically anyone that didn't land on a decent team already

So you have no real critique of Jordan, since he only lost when everyone loses (as a young player)

[SouBeachTalents]

Everyone's career is embarrassing for their first few years, such as lottery for Jokic, Lebron, Curry, Giannis, KD ,- basically anyone that didn't land on a decent team already

So you have no real critique of Jordan, since he only lost when everyone loses (as a young player)

5 seasons without Pippen
5 losing seasons
3 first round exits
2 lotteries

Embarrassing. No other "GOAT" candidate has literally all his success tied to one player like Jordan does Pippen.

[gengiskhan]

Get this thru your head!

KD aint ever winning a ring ever with WestBRICK and his impulsive, choke worthy, clutch, TO and random, ugly, pull up jumpers and wild, out of control drives to the basket to shamlessly show off his athleticism and quickness.

KD did right. Took a page out of LBJs book. Formed his own SUPER TEAM. Beat the carp out of LBJ and won back-2-back rings with 2 FMVPs.

KD again cannot win anything with Harden, another, garbage, ballhog, shot jocking version like Kobe.

only duo, combo thats ever winning rings and probably even defending one with back-2-back titles is LBJ + KD combo. and this possible because both are "unselfish" ATGs despite both having choking habits like Kobe.

[gengiskhan]

5 seasons without Pippen
5 losing seasons
3 first round exits
2 lotteries

Embarrassing. No other "GOAT" candidate has literally all his success tied to one player like Jordan does Pippen.

Just waiting on to get a decent SIDEKICK
that can help, carry some EXTRA BAGGAGE
Pip was perfect Part time EQUIPMENT MANAGER to train right out of central arkansas
GOAT still needed to give some BEAT DOWN time to tome with some MIGRAINES here and there.
that that was needed from a decent SIDEKICK to run the table on the world with 6 Chips
GOAT wanted more. Even his own GM became the biggest opposition to 7th Chip and caused BREAK UP.

This kind of story can only be written in, fictional, Hollywood screenplay for a upcoming, crowd pleasing, blockbuster titled GOAT and his Part Time SIDEKICK.

[3ba11]

5 seasons without Pippen
5 losing seasons
3 first round exits
2 lotteries

Embarrassing. No other "GOAT" candidate has literally all his success tied to one player like Jordan does Pippen.

Jordan's career was always going to be tied to 1 player because he was good enough to be unbeatable with 1 all-star.. He's the only guy in history that never needed more all-stars... Yet you're punishing him for it... You're punishing him for being better than everyone else.. The fact that there's never been a bigger statistical gap between 1st and 2nd option than MJ/Pippen only further drives home the point.

You're also rewarding lesser achievement from every other player in history... No one won 6 titles and 6 FMVP regardless of cast... If no one can reach MJ's accomplishment regardless of cast, then that makes everyone objectively inferior to MJ..

Regardless of whether we look at Magic/Kareem, Lebron/Wade, Bird/McHale, etc, etc - no one could get 6 chips or even 1 three-peat, let alone 2... (I suppose Kobe/Shaq got 1).

You're also punishing MJ for winning with less, i.e. MJ won 6 Finals without a teammate getting FMVP or 25 ppg, while no one else won more than 2 Finals this way.

[gengiskhan]

Jordan's career was always going to be tied to 1 player because he was good enough to be unbeatable with 1 all-star.. He's the only guy in history that never needed more all-stars... Yet you're punishing him for it... You're punishing him for being better than everyone else.. The fact that there's never been a bigger statistical gap between 1st and 2nd option than MJ/Pippen only further drives home the point.

You're also rewarding lesser achievement from every other player in history... No one won 6 titles and 6 FMVP regardless of cast... If no one can reach MJ's accomplishment regardless of cast, then that objectively makes MJ the goat.

Regardless of whether we look at Magic/Kareem, Lebron/Wade, Bird/McHale, etc, etc - no one could get 6 chips or even 1 three-peat, let alone 2... (I suppose Kobe/Shaq got 1).

You're also punishing MJ for winning with less, i.e. MJ won 6 Finals without a teammate getting FMVP or 25 ppg, while no one else won more than 2 Finals this way.

PART TIME EQUIPMENT MANAGER from Central Arkansas was never good enough to even win ROTY let alone Season MVP, FMVP, DPOY.

Its beacuse of GOAT himself that this pathetic, envious, self loathing, wife cucholding to GOAT's son, even got to 50th ATG spot in 1997.

or else, DOMINIQUE has no reason to be out of NBA's Top 50 ATG in 1997 as a face of HAWK Franchise on accomplishments, individual accholades and competitive spirit.

Sidekick snuck in purely because of GOAT.

[dankok8]

"KD was on pace for GOAT"

WTF

[3ba11]

"KD was on pace for GOAT"

WTF

^^^ that assumes he wins the title with Westbrook in 2012 at 23 years old - it would be among the best young starts to a career ever.

\but unfortunately, his organic chip was stolen by collusion, LeCollude

And the larger point is that we can all imagine if Bird teamed up with Magic and destroyed the great competition of the golden 80's - what a travesty and a robbery of competition that would be... Yet that's what Lebron did, and that's why he's hated

[MrFonzworth]

[1987_Lakers]

"KD was on pace for GOAT"

WTF

[ImKobe]

"KD was on pace for GOAT"

WTF

If he pulled off a chip at that age he was headed towards GOAT trajectory. Coming off 3 scoring titles and averaging 30+ on elite efficiency in the POs it looked like he had a chance at doing something special.

He had a hell of a run, including the numbers he put up in the Finals. Looked absolutely unstoppable and as good as anyone at that age ever. Game 1 he had one of the best 4th quarters in Finals history and it looked like OKC were on their way to winning a title. Refs didn't call the obvious foul on Lebron which gave the Heat the win in Game 2, giving Miami a chance to close out the series at home under the old 2 - 3 - 2 format, and they did thanks to James Harden no-showing and putting up B2B 20%FG stinkers in games that were both winnable.

[ShawkFactory]

If he pulled off a chip at that age he was headed towards GOAT trajectory. Coming off 3 scoring titles and averaging 30+ on elite efficiency in the POs it looked like he had a chance at doing something special.

He had a hell of a run, including the numbers he put up in the Finals. Looked absolutely unstoppable and as good as anyone at that age ever. Game 1 he had one of the best 4th quarters in Finals history and it looked like OKC were on their way to winning a title. Refs didn't call the obvious foul on Lebron which gave the Heat the win in Game 2, giving Miami a chance to close out the series at home under the old 2 - 3 - 2 format, and they did thanks to James Harden no-showing and putting up B2B 20%FG stinkers in games that were both winnable.

Perhaps they could have won the title that year, and if so it would have been impressive but that was an extremely talented team. While young, they literally had 3 MVPS lol.

KD was as dynamic as it possibly gets obviously but he isn’t a leader and didn’t do the intangibles on the court to the same level as some of the other GOATs.

Hes a tough one to rank.

[ImKobe]

Perhaps they could have won the title that year, and if so it would have been impressive but that was an extremely talented team. While young, they literally had 3 MVPS lol.

KD was as dynamic as it possibly gets obviously but he isn’t a leader and didn’t do the intangibles on the court to the same level as some of the other GOATs.

Hes a tough one to rank.

They win a title that year and it probably sets off a domino effect where they keep Harden which means they probably win more with that core, and who knows maybe Harden & Russ never win MVPs as they keep the team together and win more titles.

[ShawkFactory]

They win a title that year and it probably sets off a domino effect where they keep Harden which means they probably win more with that core, and who knows maybe Harden & Russ never win MVPs as they keep the team together and win more titles.

Well no obviously if they’re all 3 on the same team then all 3 aren’t winning MVPs lol. That’s not how hierarchy works.

The point is that there were 3 MVP talents. Literally.

If anything I feel like it proved that having that many guys has diminishing returns.

[Phoenix]

They win a title that year and it probably sets off a domino effect where they keep Harden which means they probably win more with that core, and who knows maybe Harden & Russ never win MVPs as they keep the team together and win more titles.

Harden left because he wanted a bigger role and more money than OKC was willing to give him. Unless winning a title shifts management's perspective on how much to pay him and/or Harden willingly stays in a lesser role and less money to remain with a champion, I don't think this is the likely outcome. If anything winning a title, albeit in a supporting role, may have been even more incentive to see what his value would be on the market and wanting to be the man elsewhere. 'I'm the 6th man on a championship team, pay me!'.