BREAKING: Grizzlies Trade Bane to Magic

[Real Men Wear Green]

booker is irrelevant since hes not available. The best guard available this offseason is likely immanuel quickley who wouldve been good but hes worse than bane. bane has a significantly higher chance of being an all star

You seriously believe that the best guard that will change teams this summer is Immanuel Quickley?

last year you said why would i worry about the 2nd apron when im not the one paying it. The owners wont break up a title core. You were half right wyc snap sold the team after the title so he wouldnt get the blame. Lot of guys warned you about brown and hausers deal and you dismissed it. one underrated factor about the bane deal is like imkobe said they have their core while avoiding the 2nd apron. You blow that out the window with a true star max guy. Paolo and franz are orlandos cornerstones, they dont need a true star for their 3rd guy.

So a ;ittle thing happened since that last post...what was it...oh, now I remember, the guy that led thev Celtics in points, rebounds and assists tore his achilles. If you turn Tatum into dead cap space then of course the Celtics are going to have to go into money-saving mode. But last year the goal was to go for a championship. The Celtic moves were already validated when they won it all in 2024. Bringing up a dead argument that you already lost in a different topic. Why?

[NBAGOAT]

You seriously believe that the best guard that will change teams this summer is Immanuel Quickley?



So a ;ittle thing happened since that last post...what was it...oh, now I remember, the guy that led thev Celtics in points, rebounds and assists tore his achilles. If you turn Tatum into dead cap space then of course the Celtics are going to have to go into money-saving mode. But last year the goal was to go for a championship. The Celtic moves were already validated when they won it all in 2024. Bringing up a dead argument that you already lost in a different topic. Why?

Yes the only other rumor is garland and I don’t think Cleveland is moving. Name the better guards than quickley youre so sure are moving.

The Tatum stuff is a good excuse but not enough. The rumors were the Celtics were getting rid of porzingis and Jrue if they didn’t win a title. Wyc also sold the team right after a title much before Tatums injury. If you can’t even beat a flawed Knicks team you’re not running it back with same roster. One title does save you from a lot of criticism no it doesn’t validate every move. You really believe the nuggets didn’t overpay porter jr lol? You saying you won an argument doesn’t mean you did. I brought up the dead argument because you reminded me with the Celtics argument and it’s one of the more recent arguments I had on here. I’m not on here that much like you mods or the trolls.

Dw your bad arguments aren’t the only ones I’m going call out. Kblaze is going have to go to court and defend himself over his Beal isn’t a bad contract takes

[theman93]

At his peak Jrue Holiday was in the argument for top perimeter defender in the league while putting up a similar level of offensive production. I don't know much about Bane as a defender but I've never heard anyone speak of him like that.

Having a few picks left over does not change the fact that the picks are valuable either.

Bane has always been a B defender. It doesn’t really matter though, their nearly the same tier of player.

And who said those picks don’t hold value? You’re making up arguments no one has made.

[theman93]

And they may make the second round. Not worth 5 first round picks.

So over the next 4 years Paolo, Franz, Suggs, and Bane are locked up, the second round is the ceiling? Is that the argument?

[Real Men Wear Green]

Yes the only other rumor is garland and I don’t think Cleveland is moving. Name the better guards than quickley youre so sure are moving.

How often do you have an offseason where no player better than Quickly changes teams? I'm going to guess the answer is "never."

The Tatum stuff is a good excuse but not enough.

This is ridiculous. What team in NBA history would not change their plans if their max money franchise player got hurt?

The rumors were the Celtics were getting rid of porzingis and Jrue if they didn’t win a title. Wyc also sold the team right after a title much before Tatums injury. If you can’t even beat a flawed Knicks team you’re not running it back with same roster. One title does save you from a lot of criticism no it doesn’t validate every move. You really believe the nuggets didn’t overpay porter jr lol? You saying you won an argument doesn’t mean you did. I brought up the dead argument because you reminded me with the Celtics argument and it’s one of the more recent arguments I had on here. I’m not on here that much like you mods or the trolls

Your argument was terrible and you lost it when the Celtics won a championship.

Dw your bad arguments aren’t the only ones I’m going call out. Kblaze is going have to go to court and defend himself over his Beal isn’t a bad contract takes

If it's more of the same he doesn't have much to worry about.

[NBAGOAT]

How often do you have an offseason where no player better than Quickly changes teams? I'm going to guess the answer is "never."

This is ridiculous. What team in NBA history would not change their plans if their max money franchise player got hurt? Your argument was terrible and you lost it when the Celtics won a championship.

If it's more of the same he doesn't have much to worry about.

I said guard. Obviously better players will move this offseason.

Many teams just waste a year if their star gets injured but besides the point. It’s verifiable rumors that the Celtics were going makes trades before Tatums injury once it was obvious that they were losing to Knicks. I can ask a similar question what team does nothing after losing in the 2nd round lol. Your assumption that the Celtics do nothing if Tatum doesn’t get injured is ridiculous.

Again answer the simple question is Michael porter jr overpaid? A title doesn’t make every move good no title doesn’t make every trade bad. I’m happy to admit when I’m actually wrong you’re too arrogant to ever do that. I thought siakam wasn’t a championship 2nd option and didn’t think it was a great trade. He proved me wrong and has been a perfect fit for Indiana, Toronto’s system held him back. You also don’t need to defend your fellow mod. You both know beals contract is a disaster for Phoenix.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Bane has always been a B defender. It doesn’t really matter though, their nearly the same tier of player.

And who said those picks don’t hold value? You’re making up arguments no one has made.

If their offense is on the same level while Holiday was one of the best defenders in the game how are they on the same tier?

[Real Men Wear Green]

So over the next 4 years Paolo, Franz, Suggs, and Bane are locked up, the second round is the ceiling? Is that the argument?

A level they would have been close to without sacrificing 5 first round picks. I'm not saying they didn't get better, I'm saying they overpaid and long term that hurts their potential.

[NBAGOAT]

If their offense is on the same level while Holiday was one of the best defenders in the game how are they on the same tier?

Their offense isn’t the same lvl, banes an elite shooter and that makes his offense better. Bane was a 2-3 in offensive epm in his prime. Jrue was a 1-2 in his pelicans years. Jrues a better player sure but both were borderline all stars in their prime so same tier isn’t ridiculous

[Real Men Wear Green]

I said guard. Obviously better players will move this offseason.

Sub in the word guard and you still will always have better players getting moved

Many teams just waste a year if their star gets injured but besides the point. It’s verifiable rumors that the Celtics were going makes trades before Tatums injury once it was obvious that they were losing to Knicks.

"Verifiable rumors" is an inherently stupid phrase. Of course there world be changes made sooner or later. But what those changes would be are vastly different for a team that has an AllNBA player and a borderline AllNBA player to build around vs a team with a borderline AllNBA player (JB had made it before and could again if he had good health for a season) and an injured player with the supermax who they can't be sure will return at his previous level. If Tatum is healthy you consider keeping more talent or at least are willing to trade for bigger contracts back than you would knowing you have no shot at the championship next year and just want to save some money.

I can ask a similar question what team does nothing after losing in the 2nd round lol. Your assumption that the Celtics do nothing if Tatum doesn’t get injured is ridiculous.

When did I ever say that? You can't argue with the voices in your head. But they're is an important point not being addressed...

Again answer the simple question is Michael porter jr overpaid?

Our original argument was about Jaylen Brown. You comparing him to MPJ is insane.

A title doesn’t make every move good no title doesn’t make every trade bad.

A title justifies a team's general approach. Giving JB the supermax was an extremely important decision and the original point you seem to have forgotten that you were arguing about. When the Celtics won the championship it was the ultimate justification of what they were doing. Explain to me how anyone involved with the Celtics lost our. JB obviously got paid. Team won a championship. Grousbeck family made 6 billion dollars. But it was a bad deal because...? When do you start making sense?

I’m happy to admit when I’m actually wrong

It doesn't matter if you aren't capable of realizing that you're wrong and instead continue to be wrong.

you’re too arrogant

From arguing with people like you.]

[Real Men Wear Green]

Their offense isn’t the same lvl, banes an elite shooter and that makes his offense better. Bane was a 2-3 in offensive epm in his prime. Jrue was a 1-2 in his pelicans years. Jrues a better player sure but both were borderline all stars in their prime so same tier isn’t ridiculous

Holiday actually was an allstar. It's a bit nuts that holiday at his peak was just at offensively productive while being one of the best defenders in the league but you guys want to act like it's even. Holiday ha been a key part of two championships for a reason. Let me know when Banes is considered for the Olympics.

[theman93]

If their offense is on the same level while Holiday was one of the best defenders in the game how are they on the same tier?

Their offense isn't on the same level. Before Jrue had Giannis/Middleton and Tatum/Brown to draw the defense away his TS% was only 54.2% (during his time in NO). After he joined them it jumped to 58.8%. Bane's career TS% is 59.7%. And that's with defenses only having to focus on Ja. Even in 2024 without Ja his TS% was 58.9%. Additionally, the gravity Bane causes is light years ahead of Jrue.

[theman93]

A level they would have been close to without sacrificing 5 first round picks. I'm not saying they didn't get better, I'm saying they overpaid and long term that hurts their potential.

Well first of all, it's 4 first round picks we are losing, not 5. 2029 is a swap.

But I mean yeah, this is just you hating at this point. There's no way to prove the definitive ceiling is no more than 1 playoff series win in any of the next 4 seasons. We were already 1 game away from that a year ago and that was with absolutely 0 shooting lol.

[theman93]

Player A:
55.1% eFG | 57.5% TS | 41.9% 3P on 7 attempts

Player B:
56.6% eFG | 59.7% TS | 41% 3P on 6.3 attempts

Who would you rather have?

[NBAGOAT]

Sub in the word guard and you still will always have better players getting moved
"Verifiable rumors" is an inherently stupid phrase. Of course there world be changes made sooner or later. But what those changes would be are vastly different for a team that has an AllNBA player and a borderline AllNBA player to build around vs a team with a borderline AllNBA player (JB had made it before and could again if he had good health for a season) and an injured player with the supermax who they can't be sure will return at his previous level. If Tatum is healthy you consider keeping more talent or at least are willing to trade for bigger contracts back than you would knowing you have no shot at the championship next year and just want to save some money. When did I ever say that? You can't argue with the voices in your head. But they're is an important point not being addressed...

Our original argument was about Jaylen Brown. You comparing him to MPJ is insane. A title justifies a team's general approach. Giving JB the supermax was an extremely important decision and the original point you seem to have forgotten that you were arguing about. When the Celtics won the championship it was the ultimate justification of what they were doing. Explain to me how anyone involved with the Celtics lost our. JB obviously got paid. Team won a championship. Grousbeck family made 6 billion dollars. But it was a bad deal because...? When do you start making sense? It doesn't matter if you aren't capable of realizing that you're wrong and instead continue to be wrong. From arguing with people like you.]

ok we can argue about the guards. tell me who you think gets traded.

the rumors were pretty clear. One of jrue or porzingis was getting traded. Saving money was a big factor no matter what again the former owner instantly sold the team after the first title run. You said back then the celtics would have no issues with the apron and keep their team together for years. I'm not making that up im pretty sure.

ofc jaylen is better than mpj, thats not my point. The point is you said "The Celtic moves were already validated when they won it all in 2024." the exact argument can be used for michael porter jr. Was the porter jr signing not validated by denvers title in 23? I argue no ofc not I used the most extreme example but its a simple counter to that point you made. also, Jaylen was part of the argument and i disagreed but that part isnt what matters here. The important part was I didnt think the celtics could keep their team together the apron is too much of weight on teambuilding and you disagreed. I thought they couldnt resign hauser for example tbf I was half wrong they did resign him but look what it lead to. To paraphrase you said essentially why would I worry about the teams cap situation and the owners will have no problem paying the roster. you thought the celtics could pay everyone and now their core lasted only 2 seasons was the main point I brought up this time. Tatum again is a good explanation but isnt enough when the celtics got new owners and it was common knowledge they were planning to dump salary anyway and get under the 2nd apron. The only way they keep the roster intact is if they won a title(and a lot of insiders thought they wouldnt keep the roster even if they did)

pot meets kettle when you cherrypick your arguments and misrepresent what I say and rely on gotchus. It works on the trolls here but you wouldnt really stand a chance in a debate even on realgm. you cant even do well vs me