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    Default Re: "1991 Finals FMVP is Scottie" Horace's Never Ending Hatred of GOAT

    Quote Originally Posted by Full Court View Post
    Lebron, on the other hand, has always been surrounded by total scrubs. Imagine trying to win when the scrubs you have are Wade, Bosh, Luka, AD, Kyrie, Westbrook, Carmelo, Russell, etc.

    And I guess this guy forgot that Bam Adebayo was injured in the 2020 finals, making Miami's second option Duncan Freaking Robinson.
    Did this guy just really bring up Westbrick, old man Carmelo & D'Angelo Russell thinking it would help his argument?

    Might as well bring up how MJ played with George Gervin & Robert Parish if we are playing that game

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1987_Lakers View Post
    Did this guy just really bring up Westbrick, old man Carmelo & D'Angelo Russell thinking it would help his argument?

    Might as well bring up how MJ played with George Gervin & Robert Parish if we are playing that game
    Jokic took Westbrook to the conference semifinals.







    Lebron took Westbrook to the lottery.

    The truth never ceases to hurt, does it?

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    Jokic took Westbrook to the conference semifinals.







    Lebron took Westbrook to the lottery.

    The truth never ceases to hurt, does it?
    Probably would have made the Finals if it wasn't for Westbrook's atrocious play vs OKC.

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    Probably would have made the Finals if it wasn't for Westbrook's atrocious play vs OKC.
    Which doesn't negate the fact that Lebron couldn't even make the playoffs with him.




    "I did that."

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    "I did that."

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1987_Lakers View Post



    "I did that."
    And yet he's STILL overwhelming concensus GOAT.

    No matter how much you whine and try to prop up your shriveling hero, you can't change that.

    Poor poor Dudley....

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    I recently noticed that the John Rogers video is from when MJ is 40... So he's 40 and going about 5%, and then some former D1 guy surprises him a few times in a row.. whooptiwhoop
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    I recently noticed that the John Rogers video is from when MJ is 40... So he's 40 and going about 5%, and then some former D1 guy surprises him a few times in a row.. whooptiwhoop
    Meanwhile, LeBron at 40 made an All-NBA Team

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    Meanwhile, LeBron at 40 made an All-NBA Team
    Lebron at 40 was a net negative.

    Jordan at 40 was a shell of his former self and STILL better than Lebron.


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    Lebron at 40 was a net negative.

    Jordan at 40 was a shell of his former self and STILL better than Lebron.

    That's an understatement. Dude got cooked by a banker.

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    Fake News:

    Here's the disclaimer from the Bulls before the article begins:


    "The contents of this page have not been reviewed or endorsed by the Chicago Bulls. All opinions expressed by Sam Smith are solely his own and do not reflect the opinions of the Chicago Bulls or its Basketball Operations staff, parent company, partners, or sponsors. His sources are not known to the Bulls and he has no special access to information beyond the access and privileges that go along with being an NBA accredited member of the media."

    https://www.nba.com/bulls/history/pi...nt_100810.html


    So this is "Sam Smith Entertainment ".. fugazi WWE for entertainment purposes. I knew Horace would never say anything dumb like that.. it's absurd

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    Jordan always had, for his era, an elite cast around him, on a team that consistently had the best 2nd option in the series and the coaching advantage. The team won 55 games without him for fvcks sake. When did the Bulls ever have a significant injury during their title runs? The worst one was Pippen in the '98 Finals and he still managed to gut out the end of the series.


    I'm racking my brain and genuinely trying to remember times LeBron's opponents had a significant injury. The only time in 22 years I can think of is Kyrie in 2018. Meanwhile LeBron lost his 2 best teammates in 2015, AD got hurt up 2-1 in the Suns series, Wade was constantly hindered by injury. Those first 2 examples potentially cost him 1-2 titles, so this statement is just patently false in every way.
    Blazers 2020, Rockets 2020, Heat 2020 .. 3 teams with injuries to their best players in one Playoff run alone which won him a title. How about the Spurs series in 2013 where Parker tears his hammy in Game 3? How about D.Rose blowing his knee out and having his career sidelined, making Lebron's toughest competition out East the Paul George Pacers? Oh, and the Pacers lost Granger to injury which ended up sidelining his career, followed by Paul George breaking his leg in 2014 which took them out of the picture when they would've been competing with Lebron's teams for the Finals. The Hawks in 2015 lost 2 of their starters to injury in the ECF.

    What about the 2016 Finals? Steph has a significant knee injury to start his Playoff run, and in that series they lose their starting big man to a season-ending injury and the guy who won FMVP the year before has a back injury going into Game 7 as well.

    You're telling me you don't remember the Lebron voodoo doll memes regarding his competition out East beating injured every year? I do.

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    Why does anyone still respond seriously to ImKobe. Treat him like 3ball

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    Why does anyone still respond seriously to ImKobe. Treat him like 3ball
    Oh, and I didn't even mention Kyrie in 2018, Cavs barely get by the Celtics who started Rozier and were led by a rookie Tatum instead and predictably they struggle to put up points against a below-average Cavs defense in a Game 7 because the role players couldn't make 3s and they didn't have their star PG who would've cooked that Cavs team.

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    Default Re: "1991 Finals FMVP is Scottie" Horace's Never Ending Hatred of GOAT

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    Blazers 2020, Rockets 2020, Heat 2020 .. 3 teams with injuries to their best players in one Playoff run alone which won him a title. How about the Spurs series in 2013 where Parker tears his hammy in Game 3? How about D.Rose blowing his knee out and having his career sidelined, making Lebron's toughest competition out East the Paul George Pacers? Oh, and the Pacers lost Granger to injury which ended up sidelining his career, followed by Paul George breaking his leg in 2014 which took them out of the picture when they would've been competing with Lebron's teams for the Finals. The Hawks in 2015 lost 2 of their starters to injury in the ECF.

    What about the 2016 Finals? Steph has a significant knee injury to start his Playoff run, and in that series they lose their starting big man to a season-ending injury and the guy who won FMVP the year before has a back injury going into Game 7 as well.

    You're telling me you don't remember the Lebron voodoo doll memes regarding his competition out East beating injured every year? I do.
    Dame missed one game in 2020, Bam missed 2 games, I genuinely don't know who you're talking about in regards to Houston, maybe some role player. As already addressed, the Heat went 1-1 in games Bam missed, and pointing out a guy missing one game on an 8 seed is some seriously weak shit.

    Now you're bringing up a bunch of injuries that didn't even occur against LeBron. Yeah, it's basketball, shit like that's gonna happen. I can bring up KG getting hurt in '09 and taking out the Lakers biggest threat, the team that beat them pretty soundly the year before. That's honestly a more beneficial injury than LeBron ever had in a title run.

    Your other examples are frankly embarrassing, Parker & Curry both played the entire series, it's not uncommon for guys to be banged up by the Finals. Plus Curry was putting up superstar production against Portland & OKC after coming back, so the injury was clearly not bothering him before then.

    Then there's the flipside, your even more egregious take that LeBron's teams have never had injury. Just off the top of my head

    Bosh missed half the playoffs in 2012
    Love missed the last 3 rounds in 2015
    Kyrie missed half the ECF and nearly the entire 2015 Finals
    Love missed the last 2 games of the 2018 ECF down 3-2
    AD missed the last 3 games against Phoenix in 2021
    That's not even mentioning the injuries that clearly hindered Wade & AD over the course of multiple seasons

    It's beyond any reasonable doubt that LeBron's teams have been more negatively impacted by injury than his opponents.

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