making the impossible possible, what teams want beal?

[warriorfan]

Trading for Beal forced them to blow up their team.

Saw that.

This situation in Phoenix is as bad as it gets.

I was gonna make a thread about toxic players on toxic contracts in history and see if anyone could come up with examples of a team getting ****ed over so badly by a player and their contract.

[highwhey]

Trading for Beal forced them to blow up their team.

it would make more sense to ride it out for 2 years or get rid of other players...stretching the contract for the next 5 years doesn't make sense.

[tontoz]

it would make more sense to ride it out for 2 years or get rid of other players...stretching the contract for the next 5 years doesn't make sense.

Bucks did the same thing with Dame. I would guess the projected increase in the salary cap played a role in the decisions.

[highwhey]

Bucks did the same thing with Dame. I would guess the projected increase in the salary cap played a role in the decisions.

but it's not increasing that much right? and i think suns are going to take a $20m/yr cap hit for the next 5 years. horrible decision all around. i'd even risk getting a pick frozen as a penalty over this bs.

[Xiao Yao You]

Bucks did the same thing with Dame. I would guess the projected increase in the salary cap played a role in the decisions.

Lost year for dame. Not much choice for bucks if they want to keep giannis happy

[tontoz]

but it's not increasing that much right? and i think suns are going to take a $20m/yr cap hit for the next 5 years. horrible decision all around. i'd even risk getting a pick frozen as a penalty over this bs.

If we assume they are going into rebuilding mode the $20 million in dead cap doesn't matter much. If they are actually trying to win then yeah that would be a problem.

[Xiao Yao You]

If we assume they are going into rebuilding mode the $20 million in dead cap doesn't matter much. If they are actually trying to win then yeah that would be a problem.

Booker wont want a rebuild

[warriorfan]

but it's not increasing that much right? and i think suns are going to take a $20m/yr cap hit for the next 5 years. horrible decision all around. i'd even risk getting a pick frozen as a penalty over this bs.

I’m not 100% sure on the Suns situation but I want to say it would be to get them out of second apron and luxury tax penalties. It’s not easy to shed salary once you are in the second apron.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Phoenix is baked shit. No idea what they are doing or how they will do it. Milwaukee probably did the wrong thing stretch-waiving Lillaird but there is the (bad) logic there that they need to make an immediate move to get Giannis to stock around, so they did what they had to do to sign a star (or Myles Turner anyway). If Phoenix waives Beal so that he bites their cap for a similar length of time they are just extending the pain. They won't be bringing in a superstar and they've already blown it up (whatever it was) by trading KD in the"biggest trade in NBA history" (who ****ing cares). The team is currently Devin Booker and a lot of bad decisions. The coach should start 5 two guards (that's all they have anyway) in protest until the front office is truly cleaned out (they actually still keep James Jones around and promoted their new GM from within, meaning you have the same group of people making decisions). I wonder if they saw the Lillaird waiving and were like, "****ing brilliant! Let's do it."

Correct me if I'm wrong but they're 90 mil over the cap. Do waive Beal and they're still over the cap, just they have him as an albatross around their necks for a few more years.

Looking it up they are past second apron so this would at least save them money. It just won't make them any better. If I was a Suns fan... the rational reaction would be to stop caring.

[highwhey]

I’m not 100% sure on the Suns situation but I want to say it would be to get them out of second apron and luxury tax penalties. It’s not easy to shed salary once you are in the second apron.

that's what it seems like, but someone had mentioned that they can aggregate salaries in a trade if it puts them under the 2nd apron. which they can do but it would cost them green most likely.

If we assume they are going into rebuilding mode the $20 million in dead cap doesn't matter much. If they are actually trying to win then yeah that would be a problem.

they aren't really rebuilding, they do not know what the hell they are doing. they just got like 3 or 4 rookies but re-upped booker for 2 extra years on his max contract so they aren't letting him go. it's a half assed rebuild that won't go anywhere. they should have shopped booker and it would have alleviated a lot of things bc there's just no way they even make the playoffs for the next 3-4 years.

[Xiao Yao You]

Puts them under tax so that makes sense

[highwhey]

Phoenix is baked shit. No idea what they are doing or how they will do it. Milwaukee probably did the wrong thing stretch-waiving Lillaird but there is the (bad) logic there that they need to make an immediate move to get Giannis to stock around, so they did what they had to do to sign a star (or Myles Turner anyway). If Phoenix waives Beal so that he bites their cap for a similar length of time they are just extending the pain. They won't be bringing in a superstar and they've already blown it up (whatever it was) by trading KD in the"biggest trade in NBA history" (who ****ing cares). The team is currently Devin Booker and a lot of bad decisions. The coach should start 5 two guards (that's all they have anyway) in protest until the front office is truly cleaned out (they actually still keep James Jones around and promoted their new GM from within, meaning you have the same group of people making decisions). I wonder if they saw the Lillaird waiving and were like, "****ing brilliant! Let's do it."

Correct me if I'm wrong but they're 90 mil over the cap. Do waive Beal and they're still over the cap, just they have him as an albatross around their necks for a few more years.

Looking it up they are past second apron so this would at least save them money. It just won't make them any better. If I was a Suns fan... the rational reaction would be to stop caring.

the most anoying thing about this situation is nothing will be learned from it. the new-ish front office is not cleaning house. the past execs either left or got demoted. not sure if getting demoted is worse than being fired, but it should be since it means the team owners don't care that james jones fvcked this team beyond repair for the next decade and is still being given employment...oh and booker somehow got rewarded with 2 more max years of income after being the center culprit of bringing in kd and beal. it was him talking into the GM's ear to bring KD (his buddy) and Beal. then they went on to play absolute dog sh1t basketball and stop caring about winning while pretentiously tweeting cringe shit like "36 unbothered".

the franchise should be stripped from top to bottom. suspended even. i've seen better management at a starbucks.

[Real Men Wear Green]

You can be mad at Booker if he was giving bad advice and madder still if he leveraged his influence to force those bad decisions. But don't forget that he's a player and thus ultimately not the one making decisions. 2 years ago every star player that was trying to win would have wanted their team to trade non-stars for Durant. And lot's of us (myself included) thought it was a good move. So if Beal was for it, I don't/can't fault him. bit front office does have the responsibility to not do things like the Beal trade and to figure out who to put around Booker and Durant and how to get them there.

[tontoz]

Resigning Booker doesn't necassarily mean they aren't willing to trade him. Having 3 years left on his deal might make him easier to trade.

But yeah its clear the Suns don't know what they are doing. As a Wizards fan i know what a dysfunctional front office looks like lol.

[highwhey]

You can be mad at Booker if he was giving bad advice and madder still if he leveraged his influence to force those bad decisions. But don't forget that he's a player and thus ultimately not the one making decisions. 2 years ago every star player that was trying to win would have wanted their team to trade non-stars for Durant. And lot's of us (myself included) thought it was a good move. So if Beal was for it, I don't/can't fault him. bit front office does have the responsibility to not do things like the Beal trade and to figure out who to put around Booker and Durant and how to get them there.

i am mad that they are still doing this half-measure, i don't care for booker - haven't since he gave up on the team. but i was hoping this new front office would do things differently, apparently they did not learn anything. their 1st round pick was promised by book he'd "see him next year".