Imagine getting gifted Doncic and suggesting you are owed more help

[Walk on Water]

For the record I always thought Doncic was subpar on defense. But you guys are the ones that said this isn’t even fair for the league and that LeBron always needed a guy like Doncic that could back him up since he plays just like him.

And as always LeBron is not happy. He wasn’t happy with Davis even though you can make a case that Davis was better statistically and also defensively. And now you got Doncic. And this was supposed to be incredible help. Yet LeBron has the audacity to suggest that they could do better.

Remember it was LeBron that also wanted Westbrook and then used him as a scapegoat. I think lowkey we all knew LeBron would think Luca isn’t enough help. What does that say about your king?

[3ba11]

it's AMAZING

they're even trying to send Jokic to the Lakers - AD and Luka aren't enough, so they literally want to see if Jokic or Giannis will be enough.. i've never seen a bigger fraud in my lifetime

[Full Court]

Nobody's ever achieved less with more help than Lebron, AKA LeShrivel.

But after being the first player ever to lead a super team to the lottery in 2022, his underachieving in 2025 sure didn't surprise me.

[beasted]

I don't blame LeBron for this. It's the media's fault for trying to manufacture another Jordan. There's only 1 GOAT. It's the same reason why Mahomes is so polarizing, they are trying to do the same thing with manufacturing a new Brady.

[sdot_thadon]

Almost like having a mvp level Scottie Pippen and still needing more help in 95.......

[Chick Stern]

There's only 1 GOAT.

It's the same reason why Mahomes is so polarizing, they are trying to do the same thing with manufacturing a new Brady.

and his name is Kareem Abdul Jabbar.

and Mahomes track record is undeniably GOAT

[Carbine]

I don't blame LeBron for this. It's the media's fault for trying to manufacture another Jordan. There's only 1 GOAT. It's the same reason why Mahomes is so polarizing, they are trying to do the same thing with manufacturing a new Brady.

Except Mahommes is worthy of the praise. His resume for his age is the best ever. And he passes the eye test more than Brady did.

[Real Men Wear Green]

You could say the"eye test" at one point showed Aaron Rodgers to be better than Brady. Lamar Jackson has some amazing performances that Brady couldn't duplicate, especially the running part. Amazing stretches and amazing seasons happen. But it is completely unfair to Mahomes and just about everyone else to compare him to Brady because any comparison to anyone with less than 5 Superbowl wins is just going to look silly. Mahomet has played in 8 seasons. Brady played in 10 superbowls. Coach Belichick has one playoff win without Tom Brady. Tom Brady won a Superbowl without Belichick and did it at an age where Jordan was retired, James will likely be retired and Mahomes will almost definitely be retired. In fact Brady won 2 superbowls past the age of 40. That means he wasn't just piling onto his longevity stats, no, he was still a great quarterback. Neither Jordan nor James led their teams anywhere at 40 and no disrespect but Mahomes won't either. No one does that but Brady. He's actually destroyed any kind of GOAT debate in the NFL. If Mahomes isn't retiring at 38 he may have done enough to make this a discussion but right now he's going to have to have at least another 10 years of all-time great football to enter the GOAT debate, which is currently Brady from 22 to 32 vs Brady from 33 to 44.

[Carbine]

Your Rodgers and Lamar points are not good ones in this discussion for a couple key points.

1.Lamar has likely the worst reputation of any Super star qb in the league right now when it comes to HIS play in the post season. He also doesn't check the team success box. Zero Superbowl appearances let alone wins


2. Rodgers is not that good in the post season either. His level generally drops down a bit in the big games. He has one title, which doesn't satisfy the goat standard.

The eye test is just a part of it. If the other things don't match up it doesn't matter.

Mahommes is the unique case of he passes the eye test, has the accolades and he generally plays extremely well in the playoffs. His team has been the dynasty of his era, just like Brady. His playoff resume is excellent, even with a couple bad games.

You might think it's silly to compare them. The rest of the world does not. It's been a topic for the last couple seasons at least. And a worthy topic because they're both the best QBs of their era. The discussion was always going to take place. Just like it will for the next guy after Mahommes. And so on.... It's how this works.

[Full Court]

If you think the Lakers are stacked now, just wait. It's a given they'll have another blockbuster signing before the trade deadline.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Your Rodgers and Lamar points are not good ones in this discussion for a couple key points.

1.Lamar has likely the worst reputation of any Super star qb in the league right now when it comes to HIS play in the post season. He also doesn't check the team success box. Zero Superbowl appearances let alone wins

So Super Bowl wins matter when it's Lamar Jackson being compared but we should ignore that Mahomes is 5 behind Brady because why?

2. Rodgers is not that good in the post season either. His level generally drops down a bit in the big games. He has one title, which doesn't satisfy the goat standard.

Seven Superbowl wins is the GOAT standard. Mahomes doesn't satisfy it either.

The eye test is just a part of it. If the other things don't match up it doesn't matter.

7 to 2 is matching up?

Mahommes is the unique case of he passes the eye test, has the accolades and he generally plays extremely well in the playoffs. His team has been the dynasty of his era, just like Brady. His playoff resume is excellent, even with a couple bad games.

7 to 2 is the accolades? 2 SB wins is a dynasty after we saw Brady lead the Patriots to 6 (and then another without them)?

You might think it's silly to compare them.

Only because it is.

The rest of the world does not.

Iwonder if even you dispute who the greatest QB of all time is? This remains a joke.

It's been a topic for the last couple seasons at least. Just because First Take needs material to fill two hours doesn't mean thew a real argument to be made.

And a worthy topic because they're both the best QBs of their era. The discussion was always going to take place. Just like it will for the next guy after Mahommes. And so on.... It's how this works.[/QUOTE] Tom Brady's "era" lasted over 20 years and included beating Mahomes in the Superbowl at the age of 43. The end.

[Carbine]

Mahommes has 3. How do you not know that?

Anyways, Brady is the GOAT - for now. Mahommes has a lot of football left to play. I predict he's going to have the best combination of the team success, personal accolades/records and eye test and that will be the argument for those who pick him as the GOAT.

Brady camp will always cling to the 7 Superbowls.

[Real Men Wear Green]

My bad, he does have 3. So instead of crossing the Pacific Ocean he's only got to deal with the Atlantic. Yes we will clime to 7 downright... you know, the greatest statistic any quarterback has ever accumulated?

Superbowl Champion at 43. He's just not touchable.

[1987_Lakers]

RMWG making a fool of himself again. Mahomes has 2 rings? And no "eye test" has ever shown Lamar being better than Brady. "He could run".

My goodness.

[Real Men Wear Green]

RMWG making a fool of himself again. Mahomes has 2 rings? And no "eye test" has ever shown Lamar being better than Brady. "He could run".

My goodness.

He won MVP over Brady and others in 2019. You knew Mahomes had 3 SBs so you should also have been aware of that fact, no?