America is going to need factories and it's going to need jobs

[Baller234]

Generates and creates are the same thing, and no the Gov will not decide your worth. You are still free to get rich on your own. UBI just insures that everyone can feed and house themselves without working. Because work is going to become more and more scarce, thanks to technology.

Slave is what you are now. Where you have to - well slave - to live.

Sorry but I don't equate work with slavery. I'm sorry that you do. Maybe you're entitled and spoiled and you should have been raised better.

Every time a child is born, that is another mouth to feed. Are you going to put a cap on how many children people are allowed to have? What about immigration? How many new immigrants would you let in each year? Again every single person that enters the country is another mouth to feed. The population is only going to get bigger. So you'll have less people working and generating tax revenue, yet every day there are going to be more mouths to feed. Your system is impossible and hinges on there being infinite food and infinite renewable resources. A system where everyone takes but no one gives back.

A system like that can never sustain.

[Bill Gates]

It will sustain. The "slave" debate is just semantics. Everyone working today is still very much reliant on the Gov and the US Dollar though. Removing work doesn't make us entrust in the Gov anymore than we do today.

Most people are slaving away with the illusion of the "American Dream" and it is a great motivator and it isn't going away any time soon even with UBI. So many have the mindset of "it will all come together one day" while slaving away at their job.

UBI is basically every citizen gets a welfare check each month. But are still free to run their own businesses, create wealth for themselves etc. American Dream is STILL there. BUT it is going to be very apparent that AI will coming for whatever it is they are doing. No one is safe from it. No profession is. No job is. It is just that some will be able to hold on much longer than others. Mostly the blue collar stuff.

[Bill Gates]

A big leap is coming soon when Amazon is able to layoff all of it's drivers for self-driving. That is tens of thousands of employed people that are already low income and will immediately need assistance.

That is probably right around the corner.

[Baller234]

It will sustain. The "slave" debate is just semantics. Everyone working today is still very much reliant on the Gov and the US Dollar though. Removing work doesn't make us entrust in the Gov anymore than we do today.

Most people are slaving away with the illusion of the "American Dream" and it is a great motivator and it isn't going away any time soon even with UBI. So many have the mindset of "it will all come together one day" while slaving away at their job.

UBI is basically every citizen gets a welfare check each month. But are still free to run their own businesses, create wealth for themselves etc. American Dream is STILL there. BUT it is going to be very apparent that AI will coming for whatever it is they are doing. No one is safe from it. No profession is. No job is. It is just that some will be able to hold on much longer than others. Mostly the blue collar stuff.

You still haven't answered ANY of my questions.

1. WHERE and HOW is the government going to generate this money if only a small portion of the populace is working and contributing?

2. What is your policy towards starting a family? Are people free to have as many children as they want?

3. What is your immigration policy? How many immigrants are you willing to take in?


If you're going to propose a system where food, shelter and money are provided to every citizen... then you need to be able to answer these questions and come provide with practical solutions.

[Bill Gates]

You still haven't answered ANY of my questions.

1. WHERE and HOW is the government going to generate this money if only a small portion of the populace is working and contributing?

2. What is your policy towards starting a family? Are people free to have as many children as they want?

3. What is your immigration policy? How many immigrants are you willing to take in?


If you're going to propose a system where food, shelter and money are provided to every citizen... then you need to be able to answer these questions and come provide with practical solutions.

I answered #1 already, MMT. I can tell you don't have a decent grasp of how fiat works. You should look into that. How do you think the US was able to "generate" a bazillion dollars for covid and ukraine?

2. Of course people are free to have as many children as they want. In fact I am going to assume that will be encouraged. We are already seeing advanced countries struggle in this area while the poor 3rd world countries do not.

3. Immigration is a whole different topic. I don't know how that will be handled down the road. I mean, if we are struggling to have babies then I suspect we will be more welcoming.

[Baller234]

I answered #1 already, MMT. I can tell you don't have a decent grasp of how fiat works. You should look into that. How do you think the US was able to "generate" a bazillion dollars for covid and ukraine?

2. Of course people are free to have as many children as they want. In fact I am going to assume that will be encouraged. We are already seeing advanced countries struggle in this area while the poor 3rd world countries do not.

3. Immigration is a whole different topic. I don't know how that will be handled down the road. I mean, if we are struggling to have babies then I suspect we will be more welcoming.

1. And look what happened as a result of them printing more money, your money lost it's value and you became more poor as a result. The more currency you inject into the system, the less the currency is worth. How do you not understand this?

2. Resources are not infinite. There's only so much to go around. If people are free to have as many children as they want, that means you have to keep generating new currency out of thin air to accommodate them. You also need to provide more food. Every time a new person is born that is one more mouth to feed and less to go around for everyone else.

3. Lmao why tf would you be "welcoming" more immigrants to come. Every new immigrant that enters the country and becomes a citizen is another drain on the system. They're going to need money and food now too. That means less for you and me.


A system where everyone takes but no one contributes can never work. The only way it works is if you have infinite resources to go around but that is pure fantasy. Also, a functioning society is still going to need workers. You're still going to need industry. Who's going to stock the shelves at your local grocery store? Who's going to deliver your packages? Who's going to manufacture your car? Who's going to build your house?

I already know what you're going to say. "Some people will WANT to work because it will give them a better lifestyle", but now they have the increased tax burden of having to feed everyone in the entire country. With so few people working and so many people taking from the system, you would have to tax workers at an insanely high rate in order to make up the tax revenue.

I really don't think you thought this through.

[diamenz]

did someone say ai?

[Bill Gates]

A system where everyone takes but no one contributes can never work. The only way it works is if you have infinite resources to go around but that is pure fantasy. Also, a functioning society is still going to need workers. You're still going to need industry. Who's going to stock the shelves at your local grocery store? Who's going to deliver your packages? Who's going to manufacture your car? Who's going to build your house?

ROBOTS WILL


The contributions will be coming, at an accelerated rate even. Just not from humans.

I'm getting the feeling that you just are not grasping anything here lol. AI and robots are going to replace workers.

We are on the verge of seeing every Amazon driver lose their just to self driving cars now.

All of our jobs will be lost, starting with the white collar, and then eventually the blue collar.

[Bill Gates]

Tesla and many others are developing bots as I type this

https://www.tesla.com/en_eu/AI

That is what will be doing your dishes and laundry in the future. That is what will be flipping the burgers you eat. That is what will be performing the surgery you need.

It's coming. No job is safe. Not a single one.

The AI will have an IQ that is 1000x that of any human. The robots will have more speed, more precision, they will not tire down or need a break, they won't need to be fed. The energy for it is infinite. The sun, wind, etc.

[Bill Gates]

worth watching

[diamenz]

fascinating...

Is artificial intelligence the great filter that makes advanced technical civilisations rare in the universe?

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