Bleacher Report Top 100: 12be becomes 11be

[Phoenix]

As I said in another thread last week,I don't see how Bird and Magic are 4 spots apart however one chooses to rank them.

[Phoenix]

Even if you removed his playoff history completely, he would still have a resume of

5x All-NBA
6x All-Star
5x All-Defense

That's definitely comparable to guys like Pierce, Allen & Reggie, who are all in the top 50-60 range. Then when you factor in his playoff resume, two trips to the Finals, a shot away from a 3rd, multiple superstar and even historically great playoff performances and series. The one part he really comes up short is his longevity/counting stats, as he's a good 8-10,000 points away from those 3. But factoring in everything else, he should at least be in the same tier with those guys imo.

55-60 is about the range I had in mind when I made that post but in that category of player, you tend to get wide variances across these lists and what logic is being applied is . I've see Drexler listed in the 50s and in this list he's 39th. The criteria tends to get more and more obscured the further you get away from the obvious names.

[3ba11]

55-60 is about the range I had in mind when I made that post but in that category of player, you tend to get wide variances across these lists and what logic is being applied is . I've see Drexler listed in the 50s and in this list he's 39th. The criteria tends to get more and more obscured the further you get away from the obvious names.

If a higher power came down from the sky and ranked the players, they wouldn't use media awards as a criteria and would laugh at the notion

It's all about using your own intelligence to determine who is best..
Relying on the group think of nerds is pretty dumb

[Phoenix]

If a higher power came down from the sky and ranked the players, they wouldn't use media awards as a criteria and would laugh at the notion

It's all about using your own intelligence to determine who is best..
Relying on the group think of nerds is pretty dumb

Fortunately I don't, but thanks for the tip.

[SouBeachTalents]

Fortunately I don't, but thanks for the tip.

And we both know he's used that in his arguments literally hundreds of times when it suits his agenda

All-star Ilgauskas, COTY Mike Brown etc.

[tpols]

And we both know he's used that in his arguments literally hundreds of times when it suits his agenda

All-star Ilgauskas, COTY Mike Brown etc.

Big Z was a bonafide All Star even without LeBron. You kiddies just dont know, but dude was legit. 7'3 with a wet jumper. And made the team on a nobody franchise in 2003.

[Phoenix]

And we both know he's used that in his arguments literally hundreds of times when it suits his agenda

All-star Ilgauskas, COTY Mike Brown etc.

Don't forget the indomitable 09 Mo Williams

[Phoenix]

And we both know he's used that in his arguments literally hundreds of times when it suits his agenda

All-star Ilgauskas, COTY Mike Brown etc.

Don't forget the indomitable 09 Mo Williams

[SouBeachTalents]

Big Z was a bonafide All Star even without LeBron. You kiddies just dont know, but dude was legit. 7'3 with a wet jumper. And made the team on a nobody franchise in 2003.

Dale Davis
Antonio Davis
Theo Ratliff
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Jamaal Magloire

all made the All-Star team around that time as well. Now, do you believe this is because they were all legitimate all-stars, or a function of there being an incredibly weak level of players to fill that position in the East at that time.

[tpols]

Dale Davis
Antonio Davis
Theo Ratliff
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Jamaal Magloire

all made the All-Star team around that time as well. Now, do you believe this is because they were all legitimate all-stars, or a function of there being an incredibly weak level of players to fill that position in the East at that time.

He made it multiple times dude. And did it with the ultimate "non winning spotlight".

If you can make All Star team on Cleveland you can make it anywhere. Its the ultimate dogshit franchise to prove your worth on.

As far as his talent goes? He was like a fat porzingis. 7'3 and his biggest skill was his jumpshot. And it was wet. You dont see that too often guys way over 7 feet whose main skill was shooting. He would've been perfect for today's game.

If a guy like Sengun or Sabonis makes All Star I dont see a problem with Big Z making it.

[sdot_thadon]

Imagine parsing players by media awards - i.e. letting Rachel Nichols, Skip Bayless and the group think of a few dozen journalism majors decide who is good at a sport they never played.

Just look at ACTUAL PERFORMANCE to determine who is good.. if a guy never dominated, then he isn't that good regardless of his media accolade... In Butler's case, he's obviously underrated because we saw him reach that top level of perimeter dominance many times in the playoffs

What good does that do if they're just as dogshit at parsing what they see as you are?

[Baller234]

I will say this about media awards, even though you really shouldn't put much stock in them.

Winning MVP doesn't mean you were the best player in the league that year, but it probably means you were ONE of the best players that year. Same with COY. It's really hard to determine who the single best coach is each year, but chances are if you won COY you were at least in the discussion and you had a tremendous and notable year. Regardless of the award, if you were good enough to convince that many people to vote for you, then at least you had to be doing something right.

The only years that come to mind for me where the MVP winner wasn't even close to being in the discussion for best player was D-Rose and Westbrook. Honest to God I don't think either guy was even top 5 those years.

[L.Kizzle]

I will say this about media awards, even though you really shouldn't put much stock in them.

Winning MVP doesn't mean you were the best player in the league that year, but it probably means you were ONE of the best players that year. Same with COY. It's really hard to determine who the single best coach is each year, but chances are if you won COY you were at least in the discussion and you had a tremendous and notable year. Regardless of the award, if you were good enough to convince that many people to vote for you, then at least you had to be doing something right.

The only years that come to mind for me where the MVP winner wasn't even close to being in the discussion for best player was D-Rose and Westbrook. Honest to God I don't think either guy was even top 5 those years.

There wasn't 5 players better than Westbrook or Rose in those seasons.

[SouBeachTalents]

There wasn't 5 players better than Westbrook or Rose in those seasons.

2011
Dirk
LeBron
Dwight
Wade
KD

2017
LeBron
Curry
Kawhi
KD
Harden

You could MAYBE argue Rose over KD & Westbrook over Harden, though they’d still have valid arguments themselves. To claim they were better players than anyone else listed is just low IQ.

[Soundwave]

Magic is overrated in these lists because he has a great personality and helped "save the league" with Bird.

He isn't a better player than Kobe Bryant in his peak though, no way. Dude couldn't shoot, middling defender, average athleticism and moves. Fantastic passer, fine, but c'mon now. He won a lot of chips on a stacked roster.

Kevin Garnett is also overrated, same with Iverson. KG is not better than Jokic, Dirk, Karl Malone, or even David Robinson.

People are choosing personality in these cases over actual game.