so where are the epstein files?

[warriorfan]

You care. You're reading my takes. And it's triggering you.

You've been reading me. The minute R3 disagreed you jumped in shouting victory

This isn’t about winning and losing.

The very fact your mind goes to that direction is extremely telling.

You are turning politics into this sports like mindset where there has to be a “winner” and a “loser”.

You are obviously compensating for other areas in your life. If you are obsessively searching for something that claims donald trump is having sex with kids and think it’s some huge W…. Like legit get a hobby or go do something productive and fulfilling.

Grandstanding and trying to make everything about Donald Trump and turning it into some sort of weird pissing match shows you have a huge void in your life.

No one cares. Get a life. For real.

[Off the Court]

This isn’t about winning and losing.

The very fact your mind goes to that direction is extremely telling.

You are turning politics into this sports like mindset where there has to be a “winner” and a “loser”.

You are obviously compensating for other areas in your life. If you are obsessively searching for something that claims donald trump is having sex with kids and think it’s some huge W…. Like legit get a hobby or go do something productive and fulfilling.

Grandstanding and trying to make everything about Donald Trump and turning it into some sort of weird pissing match shows you have a huge void in your life.

No one cares. Get a life. For real.

Goes the direction of Trump being involved with Epstein?

I mean, I guess you haven't been on any social media lately. The entire world's mind has gone that direction. Maybe try keeping up with the latest trends instead of jumping in here and pretending like it's all just me.

[warriorfan]

Goes the direction of Trump being involved with Epstein?

I mean, I guess you haven't been on any social media lately. The entire world's mind has gone that direction. Maybe try keeping up with the latest trends instead of jumping in here and pretending like it's all just me.

No

In the direction of “i’ll eat crow” like your tinfoil level hot takes mean anything and that anyone cares.

Plus we all know you will ghost and just pop up on another alt afterwards.

This obviously isn’t the first time.

[Off the Court]

No

In the direction of “i’ll eat crow” like your tinfoil level hot takes mean anything and that anyone cares.

Plus we all know you will ghost and just pop up on another alt afterwards.

This obviously isn’t the first time.

Biden NOT being listed is a "tinfiol level hot take" ?

I won't ghost. Want to avy bet on Biden if documents are released? Let do it, we all know you care deeply about this.

[ZenMaster]

I wouldn't count out Trump. As much as people are making a stink over this, I think deep down a lot of people understand the nuances and the risk involved. The people on Team MAGA who are holding Trump's feet to the fire on this aren't going to just abandon the MAGA agenda over it. They may respect Trump less than they did before but if he delivers on his other promises I still think he can carry some momentum.

Elon looks bad in this well. This guy claims to know what's being hidden and who's involved but he went along with it and covered it up as well. If he really cared that much he could tell us all what he knows now and stop being coy.

People will take the good that's there, like making sure dems didn't keep flooding the country with illegal workers, but the communication to his supporters about Epstein is terrible. If the whole wide conspiracy theory about Epstein is a hoax and the girls were for himself and only a few friends, that could have been explained so much better than berating that reporter with "you're still taking about that creep?".

[diamenz]

People will take the good that's there, like making sure dems didn't keep flooding the country with illegal workers, but the communication to his supporters about Epstein is terrible. If the whole wide conspiracy theory about Epstein is a hoax and the girls were for himself and only a few friends, that could have been explained so much better than berating that reporter with "you're still taking about that creep?".

yeah it's one thing to support the policy but if you're (not you in particular) willing to go to bat for this guy after how he's revealed the way he thinks about you then you're just a cuck of the highest order.

obviously people like you and baller can think for yourselves but someone like chewing for example will just stay being a b1tch. it seems he always finds a way anyway.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Trump is so desperate for a distraction from Epstein, he actually released his medical update.

[diamenz]

Trump sent Jeffrey Epstein ‘bawdy’ 50th birthday letter: WSJ

A “bawdy” letter to Jeffrey Epstein bearing President Donald Trump’s signature was included in an album of letters Epstein received for his 50th birthday in 2003, The Wall Street Journal reported on Thursday evening, citing documents reviewed by the newspaper.

The letter, which the Journal said Trump sent at the request of Epstein’s friend Ghislaine Maxwell, would have been written 16 years before the Justice Department charged the now-dead Epstein with child sex trafficking in 2019, during Trump’s first term in office.

The missive, which Trump denied having written, came to light as the president angrily tries to tamp down growing criticism of the decision by Attorney General Pam Bondi not to release more evidence the Justice Department obtained during its investigation of Epstein.

It was unclear whether the birthday album was among the Epstein documents recently reviewed by the Justice Department. CNBC has requested comment from the Justice Department and the White House about the album and the letter.

According to the Journal, the letter “contains several lines of typewritten text framed by the outline of a naked woman, which appears to be hand-drawn with a heavy marker.”

“A pair of small arcs denotes the woman’s breasts, and the future president’s signature is a squiggly ‘Donald’ below her waist, mimicking pubic hair,” the Journal’s Khadeeja Safdar and Joe Palazzolo reported.

“The letter concludes: ‘Happy Birthday — and may every day be another wonderful secret,’” they wrote.

The Journal said that it was not clear “how the letter with Trump’s signature was prepared.”

“Inside the outline of the naked woman was a typewritten note styled as an imaginary conversation between Trump and Epstein, written in the third person,” the paper reported.

A leather-bound album book containing Trump’s birthday letter, as well as letters to Epstein from the lawyer Alan Dershowitz and billionaire Les Wexner, was among the documents “examined by Justice Department officials who investigated Epstein and Maxwell years ago,” the newspaper reported, citing people who have reviewed the pages.

Trump denied writing the letter or drawing the photo during an interview on Tuesday, according to the newspaper.

“This is not me. This is a fake thing. It’s a fake Wall Street Journal story,” he said. “I never wrote a picture in my life. I don’t draw pictures of women,” he said. “It’s not my language. It’s not my words.”

The paper said that Trump told the Journal that if it published an article about the letter, “I’m gonna sue The Wall Street Journal just like I sued everyone else.”

After the Journal’s story was published, Trump said he would file a lawsuit against the newspaper, its parent company NewsCorp and against Rupert Murdoch, whose family holds a controlling stake in NewsCorp.

Trump wrote that Murdoch had been “warned directly” by Trump that he would be sued if the Journal printed the story.

“Mr. Murdoch stated that he would take care of it but, obviously, did not have the power to do so,” Trump claimed in a post on Truth Social.

Shortly after he wrote that post, however, Trump announced that he had asked Attorney General Pam Bondi to seek “any and all pertinent Grand Jury testimony, subject to Court approval,” on the Epstein case.

Legal experts quickly noted that the secrecy of grand jury testimony is strictly protected, raising questions of whether Bondi’s request would be made with any serious expectation of success.

The Journal’s article was published a day after the Justice Department fired Maurene Comey, a top prosecutor in the Manhattan U.S. Attorney’s Office, who had been part of the teams that prosecuted Epstein and Maxwell. Comey is the daughter of Trump’s long-time nemesis James Comey, whom Trump fired as FBI director in 2017.

Trump has said that he ended his friendship with Epstein before the money manager pleaded guilty to a sex crime involving a minor in Florida state court in 2008.

Epstein, then 66, died in August 2019 in a Manhattan federal jail, a month after his arrest on child sex trafficking charges. His death was ruled a suicide.

Maxwell was convicted at trial in Manhattan federal court of multiple crimes related to procuring underage girls to be sexually abused by Epstein. In 2022, she received a 20-year prison sentence.

[highwhey]

Trump sent Jeffrey Epstein ‘bawdy’ 50th birthday letter: WSJ

oh the sharks are circling LMAO. you know damn well they were waiting to release this at the right moment to do the most damage

[ZenMaster]

yeah it's one thing to support the policy but if you're (not you in particular) willing to go to bat for this guy after how he's revealed the way he thinks about you then you're just a cuck of the highest order.

obviously people like you and baller can think for yourselves but someone like chewing for example will just stay being a b1tch. it seems he always finds a way anyway.

One also shouldn't go overboard, Trump is an old boomer after all and he's not always connecting well with his base, operation warp speed and his proudness of it comes to mind. There are a lot of psychological aspects when it comes to the Epstein case.

Some other thoughts:

Dems are desperate, a big chunk of their base support is getting deported and the positives of removing illegal immigrants sucking the bottom out of society are starting to show. Even Bernie was on TV the other day talking positively about deporting illegal immigrants, which used to be his old opinion too as someone looking out for the American worker.

A campaign has run online since last year in left communities, lots of tweets and stories in the mold of "new docs Epstein docs released" and then use of that fake lawsuit OTC keeps referencing in this thread. At the same time Epstein pics were scrubbed, if you search for it now you only get a few pics of other people mentioned by Virginia Roberts in her testimony - Clinton and Prince Andrew - everything else is basically of him and Trump. In it's own sense it's quite remarkable how the same 10ish pics of Trump and Epstein has been shared over and over here on ISH in the last 1-2 years, with nothing private ever leaking. The goal is to make Trump guilty by association.
Do you notice the hubris and sense of security that people have here in the thread concluding Trump raped kids? The same people who would berate others in the past for "believing random tweets" are now literally posting pictures of random tweets about this subject. The campaign has surely worked. The same people who kept talking about how Musk is unstable and tweets on drugs also now fully believe that's he's been allowed access to see videos of Trump raping kids - or at least they pretend to do so, and wrote a tweet about it.

My take on the Epstein case from the testimony and case points I've seen:

Highly intelligent, both with numbers and socially, who was also a pedo predator attracted to females from puberty and up, with an affinity for the puberty age.
His thing was mainly getting massages with handjobs, sometimes sex. To fulfill these needs he needed young girls, which he'd get in different ways and often through the help of Maxwell and Brunel.

Being a pedo and abusing kids sexually isn't accepted in social circles outside of other pedos, so like most other pedos, Epstein lived a double life, only showing his shadow side to the few he trusted. It's why there's no client list, because Epstein was a billionaire with his own predator desires. It's also why some people might have gone to Epstein island and done terrible stuff with Epstein, while others went there for regular parties/events.

He has different "types" of victims.
He'd find girls in the US and Brunel would send young girls over from Europe too looking to become models, probably when they got to NY it was presented that part of the opportunity included them having to do this for Epstein. He'd pay the girls for their visits, underage prostitution. I think that's why a lot of women have silently collected compensation since the case was reopened as they were taken advantage of, not wanting their name on the news because they had sex with Epstein back in the day when they were trying to become models in NY. I also think that's why a most of his victims won't ever come forward.

Virginia Roberts (and of course there may be others like her) is a different type of victim. She was recruited by Maxwell at 15 from Mar-A-Lago where she was a spa attendant, to come give private massages for Epstein and learn the trade that way travelling around with them. But in a predatory sense Epstein and Maxwell struck gold with Roberts, as she had already been abused when she was very young and had also lived on the streets and experienced abuse there. She was very fragile, that's why they could mold her and keep her around for a longer period. Because she was such a fractured youth, I do believe there's a decent chance that Roberts might have helped recruit a few other girls for Epstein as well. She sadly took her own life last month or so, I hope she's found peace.

When Trump found out that Epstein had recruited a teenager working at his resort is when he stopped talking and being social with him, it's why he was helpful in providing information to Virginia Robert's lawyer when she initially sued Epstein in 2009.

As for the whole Mossad/CIA angle that some people are shooting around. I wouldn't be surprised if when Epstein first got busted in 2006 or 07, that someone in intelligence got the idea how a billionaire pedo like Epstein could be more useful free than in jail, which would explain his initial sweetheart deal from the US gov.

[Jasper]

have a secret happy birthday every one

[Baller234]

Wouldn't you know it. Trump wrote Epstein a birthday letter, and it comes out right at the exact moment the Epstein news is making a buzz. Not anytime over the last 10 years.

If you believe that letter is real then you probably also think professional wrestling is real.

[Baller234]

This letter thing is such a dumb play by the democrats that I'm halfway convinced Trump's people put it out there on purpose for them scoop it up. Now he gets to play the fake news and the "hoax" card again.

[Hey Yo]

Wouldn't you know it. Trump wrote Epstein a birthday letter, and it comes out right at the exact moment the Epstein news is making a buzz. Not anytime over the last 10 years.

If you believe that letter is real then you probably also think professional wrestling is real.

In before BurningAxeHammer flips out on you and says pro wrestling is indeed real.

[Off the Court]

Read a plausible theory, that Trump actually met Melania through Epstein. Epstein was using aspiring models to work for him. She did live in NY, and the theory is that she was working as a prostitute for Epstein, who had modeling connections. Trump met her through Epstein.

And it wasn't until later that Trump was hit with the sudden realization that his wife will be exposed as a former Epstein prostitute if the files are released.


None of that has any backing, all just 100% speculation, however, it does seem plausible.