The charlie kirk shooter was not immigrant or trans or minority, just a WHITE

[highwhey]

The truth hurts.

It's never too late to admit you were wrong. We're all human. We all make mistakes.

You're running out of cards to play.

admit what dude? i said it is a tragedy to hear about his passing, but i still maintain my opinion regarding his style of debate. i was not a fan of his before, so why pretend now? and stop trying to mix in other topics into this thread, you want a gotcha moment so badly you're willing to lie and deceive. that makes you disingenuous and you lose credibility.

[Baller234]

admit what dude? i said it is a tragedy to hear about his passing, but i still maintain my opinion regarding his style of debate. i was not a fan of his before, so why pretend now? and stop trying to mix in other topics into this thread, you want a gotcha moment so badly you're willing to lie and deceive. that makes you disingenuous and you lose credibility.

Admit you got played. Admit you're on the wrong side. Admit your side is acting insane.

[highwhey]

Admit you got played. Admit you're on the wrong side. Admit your side is acting insane.

i did not get played bc i don't take my cues from anyone but myself. and so far all centrist and leftist leaders have been classy. i don't have a side so i don't know what you're talking about, unfortunately. i'd say the only prominent leaders that have been classless are the alt-righ ones calling for retribution.

[Patrick Chewing]

There are certain areas where he was very knowledgeable. Again..most of it was related to theology. There were also plenty of things that he chose to talk about that he was putting his theological beliefs in a box where the didn't necessarily belong to those who oppose his viewpoints, and had points themselves.

He was not overly strong from a sociological standpoint and often ignored advances, or changes if you don't think it's advanced, that have occurred in that area. He wasn't well adept at science either and would generally strawman it and switch the subject when others got into the weeds there.



Sure. And I'm not trying to say that everyone he spoke to was a dumbass. More so that it was usually on his turf in an environment that was beneficial to him to control as he wished. You said it was HIS tour, right? Most people, even well-spoken people are going to get a little shook in a heated debate with these things against them. Because they don't debate in front of crowds for a living.

And I'll end with: there are PLENTY of liberals that aren't what you, PatrickChewing, think of liberals as.

I don't see his tour having anything to do with anything. He was stepping into the Lion's Den of Liberal-infested campuses all across the nation. I think you're reading too much into that as being some sort of advantage when it was literally Charlie just giving an open mic to anyone to come up and debate him.

But I'm curious, what are some things you disagreed with Charlie about? I sure as hell hope it ain't the genders thing.

[Patrick Chewing]

i did not get played bc i don't take my cues from anyone but myself. and so far all centrist and leftist leaders have been classy. i don't have a side so i don't know what you're talking about, unfortunately. i'd say the only prominent leaders that have been classless are the alt-righ ones calling for retribution.

You're so full of shit.

[warriorfan]

Insidehoops should be renamed to inside fat beaners. This is what we have become.

Tbh it’s still mildy entertaining. Fat self loathing fat beaners are pretty funny.

[ShawkFactory]

I don't see his tour having anything to do with anything. He was stepping into the Lion's Den of Liberal-infested campuses all across the nation. I think you're reading too much into that as being some sort of advantage when it was literally Charlie just giving an open mic to anyone to come up and debate him.

But I'm curious, what are some things you disagreed with Charlie about? I sure as hell hope it ain't the genders thing.

He talked about way more than that. Am I the one who has to ask YOU to watch more of his arguments?

I now know that that's a huge point for you but that's such a miniscule part of the actual liberal conversation. And it being his own tour has everything to do with it. That means he had fans to big him up to shut things down for the other person pretty quickly. As I've already explained, not being a pro debater and having a crowd razz you will have you fold. Almost everyone will unless they've had years of training in this shit, as CK did.

As for stepping into the Lions den. No he fvcking wasn't dude. He was stepping into a conglomerate or his own fans mixed with people who were going to be pissed off at what he has to say. A 30-year-old professional debater going to Arizona State University and arguing with teenagers who will emotionally step in is NOT stepping into the Lions den lol. That's a grown human stepping to a child.

I won't really go into each of his points over the years that I disagree with because I think that would be a complete waste of time here. But there are several and the gender thing isn't a part of it.

[ZenMaster]

I'll preface what I'm about to say with no, I do not believe CK deserved to be killed and I truly do lament for his family. This is never the way and is completely unacceptable. Just saying that for the stupid fvcks on here that will try to say I think he deserved to die.

To the bolded, I don't think this is entirely true and deserves a little context added.

CK was a very skilled unmoderated debater. He was sharp, very confident in a debate and speaking in crowds, and also had a following in said crowds to help him. I do not believe for a second that his intentions were to have honest debate. From my perspective, his purpose was solely to rig the game in his favor to make liberals look stupid and further both his movement and financial value. Very frequently in these "debates" (I say that in quotes because they were again, unmoderated) would cut people off, use strawmen to back people into a corner and shape the conversation in his favor, and then make jabs or use buzzwords to incite his supporters in the crowd.

Any person who isn't as prepared or well-versed in debate as he is is naturally going to be overwhelmed or flustered with these tactics. And why wouldn't they? They don't debate these topic all day every day. He had the natural advantage.

The issue I have is that he and his followers would take his simply winning an argument by overwhelming as a confirmation that liberals don't know shit. No. He was just engaging people who weren't professionals at articulating their points on these issues while adding in some dirty debate tactics. He didn't care about their points, he wanted to make them look stupid and gain followers. It's akin to an NFL team going all out against a D3 school, paying the refs to turn a blind eye to egregious penalties, and then claiming how awesome they are when they dominate.

In summation, he didn't always actually have good points (sometimes he did, particularly with his theological knowledge). He would just overwhelm teenage unskilled debaters. And a lot of the arguments he DID make did not need to be made.

Again..RIP he didn't deserve to die. I didn't appreciate him at all though.

It's very natural to cut people off in longer debates like this when the person you're debating says something you simply don't believe to be real. He was also debating a lot of leftists who didn't want him at the campuses and would nothing better than to just be allowed their rant on his camera without being challenged on it. In the same way, Charlie was also cut off himself all the time. He allowed it both ways, which is why you don't see all of the videos of him debating ending in bickering about being cut off.

It's also clear that a lot of the radicals he debated were used to overwhelm others through verbal aggressiveness, so in terms of creating a movement, it's very good to have someone like Kirk out in campuses to show that these kids aren't the brightest and to make fun of them when they try to end a debate by claiming the other person to be racists/fascist.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Robinson was enrolled in an electrical apprenticeship through Dixie Technical College, and attended Utah State University for a single semester in 2021.
MAGA partisans are only using Kirk's death to continue their attack on higher education.

[Baller234]

The lefties are in an extremely tough bind right now.

For years they carried on using the most extreme and insane rhetoric, but now they have no choice but to acknowledge that Charlie Kirk was human. That their political enemies are human. Problem is once you agree to those terms, you're basically conceding everything you said up until this point was extreme and unacceptable.

Here is Cenk from TYT having Dave Rubin read his own video titles back to him in wake of Kirk's death. Cenk looks like he is about to cry and emotionally lashes out.

https://x.com/EYakoby/status/1966595091704799467



I've been waiting for this moment a long time.

[highwhey]

The lefties are in an extremely tough bind right now.

For years they carried on using the most extreme and insane rhetoric, but now they have no choice but to acknowledge that Charlie Kirk was human. That their political enemies are human. Problem is once you agree to those terms, you're basically conceding everything you said up until this point was extreme and unacceptable.

Here is Cenk from TYT having Dave Rubin read his own video titles back to him in wake of Kirk's death. Cenk looks like he is about to cry and emotionally lashes out.

https://x.com/EYakoby/status/1966595091704799467



I've been waiting for this moment a long time.

for charlie's death? you are a sick human being. i haven't seen anyone, not even the liberals you claim that are laughing, enjoying this tragedy as much as you are. you want to be right so badly you don't care that a human life was taken.

go seek help.

[Baller234]

for charlie's death? you are a sick human being. i haven't seen anyone, not even the liberals you claim that are laughing, enjoying this tragedy as much as you are. you want to be right so badly you don't care that a human life was taken.

go seek help.

No doubt this is the avenue you are going to take out of pure desperation, but it won't work.

Sometimes it takes a tragedy to spur groups into action. This is exactly what Charlie would have wanted. He would not have wanted to die in vein. He would want his supporters to advance his agenda in his honor.

We owe it to him to make sure that happens.

[1987_Lakers]

[warriorfan]

that was insane lmao

[beasted]

So sorry MAGAS that whole Kirk was shot by black, trans liberal did not turn out the way you were all hoping for.

Tyler Robinson…
His parents are registered Republicans.
He’s dad is 20+ year veteran of the Sheriff’s Department.
Religious Family.
Introduced to guns by his dad at a young age.
Wore a Trump Costume for Halloween.
Not black.
Not brown.
Not an immigrant.
Not trans.
#CharlieKirk

This is really all yhat needs to be said. He also donated to the Trump campaign.