Democrats going to shutdown the government out of spite

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Democrat Whip Rep. Katherine Clark: "Shutdowns are terrible. Of course there will be families that are going to suffer. We take that responsibility seriously, but it is one of the few leverage times we have."

https://x.com/greg_price11/status/19...513809641?s=19


A high-ranking Democrat appears to have admitted an inconvenient truth about the government shutdown that has officially entered its fourth week.

Massachusetts Representative Katherine Clark, who is the Minority Whip of the United States House of Representatives, admitted that she views families struggling during the shutdown as 'leverage' for her party to use in political games.

'Shutdowns are terrible. And of course there will be families that are going to suffer. We take that responsibility very seriously, but it is one of the few leverage times we have,' Clark said.

Wisconsin Republican Congressman Derrick Van Orden wrote on X, 'This is exactly what Chuck Schumer meant when he said, "Every day gets better for us."'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-leverage.html

What's the alternative? Allow everyone's annual insurance premiums to increase by 118%? Do you support that after historic taxcuts that Republicans rushed quickly through and 150 billion for ICE (among others but these were the two big things in the Big & Beautiful bill)?

[MMM]

Should Government shutdows trigger an election. If both sudes are equally confident that the other side will be blamed or their policy is popular than take it to the people

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Should Government shutdows trigger an election. If both sudes are equally confident that the other side will be blamed or their policy is popular than take it to the people

It would result in a blue wave across the line

[rmt]

Should Government shutdows trigger an election. If both sudes are equally confident that the other side will be blamed or their policy is popular than take it to the people

LOL - we had an election less than a year ago - it's not like Trump didn't campaign on many of the things he's done.

[MMM]

LOL - we had an election less than a year ago - it's not like Trump didn't campaign on many of the things he's done.

He should have been given a bigger mandate. An election would either led to 1 side compromising or getting punished at the polla but either way the govermwnt would function better

[ZenMaster]

I hadn't bothered to read this far when I replied before but it should be pointed out that this lying asshole is lying again. I didn't say they were legal citizens I said that they were here legally and they were until Trump had their protected status revoked so that he could declare them to be illegal. You're too shameless with the bullshitting.

It's called Temporary Protected Status and the Biden admin misused this to get as many illegals into the country as possible. You could argue that people should go to jail for this, but better to just focus on getting the illegal immigrants out of the country.

There was no pathway to citizenship for those illegals to become US citizens. Even if you get an SS number, you won't show up as an US citizen in the system when the county runs a check on your name when you register to vote.

Does amnesty give them path to citizenship? Perhaps you know something I don't. Link me to a source, and I will admit to being wrong if amnesty would have led illegals to become citizens.

If dems would've still been in charge, I'm sure that along with uniparty repubs they would've found numerous ways to provide pathways to citizenship. Much of the reasoning to provide citizenship is the same as currently used to say they shouldn't be deported(been here long time, part of the community, good for the country etc) and they had already started this in 2024:

President Joe Biden on Tuesday announced a new effort to provide a path to citizenship to hundreds of thousands of immigrants in the U.S. illegally who are married to U.S. citizens, an election-year move that contrasts sharply with Republican rival Donald Trump's plan for mass deportations.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/bid...it-2024-06-18/

The county maintains a voter database.

When you go to register, the county automatically runs your name in their databases. If someone isn't found in any database, they are flagged. The election office runs manual checks on the flagged people. I don't know exactly what happens if the office can't verify someone through any database. I don't know how every state does it.

In Minnesota you're automatically registered if you have a drivers license, and all residents in the state can get a drivers license. These are both new laws made in 2024. So now when you go to vote you just have to show your drivers license and then if there's discrepancy with your address, maybe a name change that wasn't updated, or if you're an illegal immigrant, you get a document to sign stating that you're a citizen residing in Minnesota, but you aren't actually prevented from voting which doesn't make sense.

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If dems would've still been in charge, I'm sure that along with uniparty repubs they would've found numerous ways to provide pathways to citizenship. Much of the reasoning to provide citizenship is the same as currently used to say they shouldn't be deported(been here long time, part of the community, good for the country etc) and they had already started this in 2024:



https://www.reuters.com/world/us/bid...it-2024-06-18/




In Minnesota you're automatically registered if you have a drivers license, and all residents in the state can get a drivers license. These are both new laws made in 2024. So now when you go to vote you just have to show your drivers license and then if there's discrepancy with your address, maybe a name change that wasn't updated, or if you're an illegal immigrant, you get a document to sign stating that you're a citizen residing in Minnesota, but you aren't actually prevented from voting which doesn't make sense.

Democrats have been in charge plenty of times. Do you think the party just started yesterday? They had plenty of opportunities to push through a pathway to citizenship, but they knew it wouldn't get through.

As for the second, if an illegal is married to an US citizen, why is it wrong to allow that individual to become citizen? My cousin married my cousin-in-law from Japan (citizen of Japan), and she became an US citizen in a year. Why should it be different for illegals? It should only be illegal if it's a money-based marriage. I believe such cases are looked into if suspected, especially if they aren't living together.

I'm not sure about Minnesota or other states. I haven't looked into every state to see what all of their requirements are. Perhaps someone else here has or perhaps there's an in-depth article that looks into all 50 states? Still, that doesn't prove that massive national voting fraud happens every election. It shouldn't be that difficult for the US government to prove on a state-by-state basis. Trump tried hard in 2020, but he & his lawyers got laughed out of courts for lack of evidence.

I'm unsure what you're even arguing at this point. Is it possible in some states for an illegal to find a way to vote? Probably yes. Now, the next question is: has it been proven? No. Without proving that's it's a widespread phenomena with hard evidence, what difference does any of it make? Trump cried election fraud in 2016 after he beat Hillary and created a committee to investigate (wasn't Pence in charge?). That got nowhere. He cried in 2020 while he was president and spent tens of millions, only for Rudy and company to get laughed out for lack of evidence. He cried again after winning in 2024. Three times, and he won two of those elections. It sounds to me like the boy who cried wolf. And you sound like the boogie man.

[Real Men Wear Green]

It took this assclown 10 days to reply that a bunch of people the government told were hear legally are actually here illegally, just that the government was breaking the law. Fortunately for him there is no law against being full of shit but I am going to declare that 10-day wait makes your bullshit officially·stale.

[ZenMaster]

It took this assclown 10 days to reply that a bunch of people the government told were hear legally are actually here illegally, just that the government was breaking the law. Fortunately for him there is no law against being full of shit but I am going to declare that 10-day wait makes your bullshit officially·stale.

Whatever BS reason they came up with in 2023 to give all those Venezuelans and Haitians that Temporary Protected Status no longer applies and so they have to go back home.

Democrats have been in charge plenty of times. Do you think the party just started yesterday? They had plenty of opportunities to push through a pathway to citizenship, but they knew it wouldn't get through.

Doesn't matter how you try to deflect, they introduced a new pathway to citizenship just last year. Here's Chuck Schumer laying it out clearly that all illegal immigrants should get citizenship.

As for the second, if an illegal is married to an US citizen, why is it wrong to allow that individual to become citizen? My cousin married my cousin-in-law from Japan (citizen of Japan), and she became an US citizen in a year. Why should it be different for illegals? It should only be illegal if it's a money-based marriage. I believe such cases are looked into if suspected, especially if they aren't living together.

A blanket rule like that would open up for all kinds of human trafficking and fraud. Also, you shouldn't be rewarded for breaking the law for 10 years just because you got married.

I'm unsure what you're even arguing at this point.

I was saying that the Democrat party is in demise due to plummeting birth rates and all those illegal immigrants who will be deported instead of counting towards seats in congress and potentially as future voters.

[Hey Yo]

Whatever BS reason they came up with in 2023 to give all those Venezuelans and Haitians that Temporary Protected Status no longer applies and so they have to go back home.

I tried to explain to Real Men Loves Illegals that things change when new administration's take over. He saw examples like stopping the building of the border wall and when the keystone pipeline construction was stopped by Biden. He had no problems.

Now the shoe is on the other foot and he's crying like a bitch. If ya don't like it, don't let the border door hit ya in the ass. Go join Rosie O'Donnell wherever TF she went to live with her TDS.

[Real Men Wear Green]

It's strange how you guys don't understand that they were here legally. You liking our not liking the reason why does not change the facts. Sane people accept the fact that Biden was the president even if they didn't like him.

The bullshit didn't take 10 days but it's still bullshit.

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Doesn't matter how you try to deflect, they introduced a new pathway to citizenship just last year. Here's Chuck Schumer laying it out clearly that all illegal immigrants should get citizenship.





A blanket rule like that would open up for all kinds of human trafficking and fraud. Also, you shouldn't be rewarded for breaking the law for 10 years just because you got married.



I was saying that the Democrat party is in demise due to plummeting birth rates and all those illegal immigrants who will be deported instead of counting towards seats in congress and potentially as future voters.

Pathway to citizenship has been talked about for lord knows how long. Perhaps 30yrs ago? It has never gotten through and been nothing other than a talking point.

So, should anyone who marries a U.S. citizen get citizenship, in your opinion? Or must you be born in the USA for citizenship?

There are already significantly more democrat voters than Republican. Independents are the ones who decide elections. Illegal immigrants don't vote in significant numbers, as you have been trying to claim. As for being future voters, the bill guaranteeing them citizenship has to actually get through Congress. Democrats don't have 60 votes in the Senate to get it through, and they haven't tried to push such a bill through. If they may in the future, is your entire argument based on "coulda woulda should"?? You're grasping at straws here, boogeyman.

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The next time Democrats hold the Senate, the filibuster rule will be gone and every Dem wish list item from making DC and Puerto Rico states to packing the Supreme Court to giving all illegals a very short path to citizenship to universal healthcare will pass the Senate. I can only hope that either of the House/Presidency is in Republican hands but we all know, it goes in waves - whichever party wins the Presidency gets the House and Senate for the first 2 years. God help this country then.

Even Fetterman is saying that Republicans should "carve out" the filibuster to re-open the government. Such a STUPID idea - that opens the door to use it for whatever. I thought he'd be the only sane Democrat left (like Sinema and Manchin) but apparently not.

[Hey Yo]

THE LONGER IT STAYS SHUTDOWN, THE MORE IT BENEFITS US!!!


Chuck Schumer

[ZenMaster]

Pathway to citizenship has been talked about for lord knows how long. Perhaps 30yrs ago? It has never gotten through and been nothing other than a talking point.

There are already significantly more democrat voters than Republican. Independents are the ones who decide elections. Illegal immigrants don't vote in significant numbers, as you have been trying to claim. As for being future voters, the bill guaranteeing them citizenship has to actually get through Congress. Democrats don't have 60 votes in the Senate to get it through, and they haven't tried to push such a bill through. If they may in the future, is your entire argument based on "coulda woulda should"?? You're grasping at straws here, boogeyman.

It's like it's impossible for you to imagine things being different in the future than they are today. Around 80% of dems want illegal immigrants to get a pathway to citizenship and that's a lot of support, hell wasn't it Obama who tried writing an executive order on it? Even in recent years dems have been trying to get bills passed on it.

Just like pathway to citizenship has been talked about for perhaps 30 years, so has mass deportation, and all of the sudden a guy came around who's up for it. Stating that something won't happen because it's been talked about for a long time doesn't make sense, e.g once upon a time illegal immigrants weren't allowed to vote in local elections, but now they are.

So, should anyone who marries a U.S. citizen get citizenship, in your opinion? Or must you be born in the USA for citizenship?

I never said you have to be born in the US to get citizenship, immigrants becomes Americans all the time through regular and legal channels. I think that anyone married to a US citizen should be able to apply.