SHAQ: Lebron will destroy Reaves upon return - so y'all LYING about Bron's high IQ?

[3ba11]

Who do you think is better between the two, op? Sga or haliburton?

SGA = not a high assist player, so not a full ball-dominator, i.e. by having lower assists, SGA isn't using teammates as bailout options as often because HE'S the closer via great mid-range

Haliburton = not a high scorer, so not a full ball-dominator, i.e. he doesn't have high volume of unassisted buckets like high-scoring primary ballhandlers (ball-dominators)



Who's better? SGA obviously... But even though SGA isn't as cancerous as a high assist ball-dominator (aka Harden, Westbrook, Luka, Lebron), he still has many unassisted buckets that produces weaker chemistry than prior era off-ball guys like MJ, Curry or Duncan.. The issue is that everyone today is a "downhill" player, so one of them has to win.. it happens to be SGA, who has the advantage of lower assists/greater closing than other ball-dominant players that use teammates as bailout options more often than him

[SouBeachTalents]

Duncan never even averaged over 25 ppg for a single title run. The only reason Duncan gets included in these discussions is because in '03, against the powerhouse 49 win Nets, he outscored his 2nd option by 10 ppg while in the 2013 Finals LeBron outscored his 2nd option by 6 ppg.

This is literally the criteria OP judges entire careers on, a 4 ppg differential by which they outscored their 2nd option over a single series sample size. A very intelligent methodology

[3ba11]

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Don't you guys get tired of using defense as an excuse for Lebron's underwhelming/underachieving teams??

Don't you wonder why it's always the same story?

The reality is that ball-dominance is a bad brand of ball and therefore needs RIDICULOUS offensive star help, thus preventing the GM from getting the right defenders/others, aka elite roster construction.. aka ball-dominators prevent elite roster construction.. Furthermore, there's the attrition battle described earlier (ball-dominance lets defenses rest, so they're super fresh on offense)

Carry on tho

[SouBeachTalents]

Of course you didn't address a single point I made, but you know what I said is 100% accurate, but seeing it spelled out it's so indefensibly stupid you had to ramble on about whatever nonsense you jus typed.

[3ba11]

Duncan never even averaged over 25 ppg for a single title run. The only reason Duncan gets included in these discussions is because in '03, against the powerhouse 49 win Nets, he outscored his 2nd option by 10 ppg while in the 2013 Finals LeBron outscored his 2nd option by 6 ppg.

This is literally the criteria OP judges entire careers on, a 4 ppg differential by which they outscored their 2nd option over a single series sample size. A very intelligent methodology

Not only did Duncan carry the scoring load (defeat max defensive attention) for the playoffs AND championship level (Finals), but his brand of ball on offense is top notch, thus allowing the GM to find the right defenders/others... Otoh, Lebron's ball-dominance is a bad brand of ball and therefore needs RIDICULOUS offensive help, thus preventing the GM from getting the right defenders/others, aka elite roster construction.. aka ball-dominators prevent elite roster construction..

[SouBeachTalents]

Duncan barely averages more ppg than Pippen during the majority of his title runs, so yes, the one instance I specified before is literally the only reason he gets included in these discussions positively. If Parker or Manu average a couple more ppg in a single series against a 49 win team, suddenly Duncan's entire career & 20 year body of work is judged completely differently by you.

[ralph_i_el]

Uh... Negative

Reaves averaged 28 ppg without Lebron last year, compared to under 20 in the games they both played.

Lebron's downhill skillset simply craters the 3rd option - for his entire career - it started with Hughes and then Jamison, and then Bosh, Love, Westbrook, and now Reaves

Btw, Reaves and AD joined the Lakers in 2020, so AD was the off-ball assist target that a young ballhandler needs to develop - aka AD developed Reaves.. Remember that AD and Lebron were equal-scoring partners, so they could theoretically both get credit for Reaves' development - however, it's clear that AD was the great fit for Reaves while Lebron cratered Reaves and held him back

LeBron is the reason you know who Reaves is. He vouched for him when he was an undrafted rookie. Lakers probably never would have signed him if Bron didn't see something in him.

[3ba11]

Duncan barely averages more ppg than Pippen during the majority of his title runs, so yes, the one instance I specified before is literally the only reason he gets included in these discussions positively. If Parker or Manu average a couple more ppg in a single series against a 49 win team, suddenly Duncan's entire career & 20 year body of work is judged completely differently by you.

You didn't do your research

In addition to carrying the scoring load in the 99' Finals (28 ppg for Duncan and 16 for Robinson), Duncan carried the scoring load at ridiculous levels against the 3-peat Lakers in the 03' Playoffs, and also Dirk's Mavs and then the Finals.

So as usual - you're comprehensively wrong on all counts.. Imagine comparing the dominant scoring ability of Tim frieking Duncan to a system role players like Pippen (Dominique said Pippen was a role player).

Since you're wrong on all counts, the argument of carrying the scoring load/defeating max defensive attention STANDS.. So that means that ball-dominators who can't carry the scoring load need more scoring help, thus preventing the GM from getting the right defenders/others, aka elite roster construction.. And of course, a ball-dominator's weak brand of offense requires ridiculous offensive help, further hampering GM's from getting the right "others" (elite roster construction).. So we have comprehensively proven that ball-dominators prevent elite roster construction.. Thanks for your help in this and give yourself a pat on the back