1 vote for the hall of fame: Ray Allen or Paul Pierce

[ThaSwagg3r]

Paul Pierce was the better player, but that doesn't mean he is more deserving in the hall of fame than Ray Allen does. An accomplishment like most 3 point field goals ever made is a legendary accomplishment, because we aren't just talking in a season, we are talking of all-time and in a career.

There aren't many things that Paul Pierce has accomplished that Ray Allen hasn't. Ray Allen should have been the 2008 Finals MVP in my mind.

There have been players in those Bill Russell Celtic teams that have made the HOF simply because of the amount of rings they have. It's a matter of accomplishment when getting into the HOF more than talent.

Here are two examples of players that made it to the HOF just because of rings/accomplishments.

Frank Ramsey - 13.4/5.5/1.8 (never made an All-Star team)
KC Jones - 7.4/3.5/4.3 (never made an All-Star team)

Those guys would not have gotten into the HOF if it weren't for playing with Bill Russell and getting the rings.


I don't think there is a really point of this argument though since they are both locks into the HOF, but If I only had one vote I would give it to Ray.

[Phenith]

Ray is a Legend, Pierce is an all time great player, but he is a guy that will get lost in time because he doesn't have anything that makes him stand out... he is a great all round player who has accomplished a lot, but there is a lot of those guys in history we don't even talk about.
The most memorable part of PP is that he is a superstar that stayed with one team in an era where even star players bounced around a lot and he was one of the toughest mofos out there.

Ray's days with the Bucks and Sonics are definitely being overlooked by many people who say they would vote for PP and it's not even close. Ray is a Legendary shooter who was the best player on some good teams.

+1 for Ray, but it's close, and shame on anyone who thinks PP is far ahead in a situation like this. But like ThaSwagg3r said, these guys are both in anyway, so it's a mute point.

[Duranthebest]

Facts:
Better overall player: Pierce
Better player in their primes: Pierce
Better player when on the same team: Pierce
Better scorer: Pierce
Better passer: Pierce
Better rebounder:Pierce
Better handle:Pierce
Better defender: Pierce
Better playmaker: Pierce
Better shooter:Ray
Better 3point shooter: Ray
Better free throw shooter: Ray
Better career stats:Pierce
Finals MVP:Pierce
More all NBA teams: Pierce
More all star teams: Ray by 1
Higher chance of getting into the hof(based on bb reference):Pierce
Higher MVP award shares: Pierce

[Duranthebest]

Ray Allen is not a legend nor is he an all-time.

The 3-point record is by no means legendary when you consider the top 10 3-point leaders of all-time and compare them to other top 10 leaders in other categories. For all this talk about 3 point shooting, Paul Pierce will be 3rd all time in 2 more seasons, and Pierce is by no means one of the greatest shooters ever.

Can somebody explain this to me? If Ray Allen deserved FMVP? Why didn't he receive one vote for the award? Why did the most crowd simultaneously chant "truth" before Stern could say who won the award?

[DixieNourmous]

Why the bump? old thread, tired as hell

[Boston C's]

]Ray Allen is not a legend nor is he an all-time.[/B]

The 3-point record is by no means legendary when you consider the top 10 3-point leaders of all-time and compare them to other top 10 leaders in other categories. For all this talk about 3 point shooting, Paul Pierce will be 3rd all time in 2 more seasons, and Pierce is by no means one of the greatest shooters ever.

Can somebody explain this to me? If Ray Allen deserved FMVP? Why didn't he receive one vote for the award? Why did the most crowd simultaneously chant "truth" before Stern could say who won the award?

You cant be taken seriously after you made that statement... your facts are stupid... ray has accomplished damn near everything pierce has... both led their teams to the conference finals both have 1 all nba 2nd team both similiar all star appearances and you said pierce has more career assists then ray allen? His average is slightly higher but ray has more career assists the only thing pierce has him in is rebounding... in their primes both players could score with the best of them you need to stop hatin seriously... just cuz most ppl here believe allen has a better career resume then pierce doesnt mean you need to hate on him... and for christs sake shut up with the finals mvp already pierce earned it yea but ill tell you one thing if the big 3 were in minnesota k.g woulda won it and if they were in seattle then ray woulda had it... not sayin pierce didnt earn it but him being in boston his whole career played a huge damn factor... rays not an all time great? Hes top 30 in career points and the way hes going will finish top 15 no problem which shows hes more then a damn shooter like you perceive him to be hes a 10x all star 3 point champ 3 point leader and holds numerous records what does pierce have thats more impressive then ray? records nope, all time best at anything nope, all star appearances nope, nba teams both made all nba second team once and both players finished top 10 in mvp voting once theres NOTHING in career accomplishments that pierce has done that ray hasnt besides the finals mvp... check the resume its pretty damn impressive and nearly EVERYONE has him on their top 10 shooting guard of all time list so seriously stop hating... their both great players future hall of famers and if you wanna believe pierce is more worthy fine but ppl have the right to believe ray allen is worthy because the resume speaks for itself

[D.J.]

It's closer than most people think, but Pierce.

[Boston C's]

It's closer than most people think, but Pierce.

A statement that makes sense for both parties... unlike durantthebest who thinks its a landslide... for like the 1000th time if someone says ray but real close or pierce but real close there shouldnt be any problems unless someone says ray by a landslide or pierce by a landslide... because their accomplishments are so similar

[Boston C's]

72-41 vote count... and duranthebest (spudjay) completely ignoring my last comment...wish you would at least respond to my logical statement

[Kevin_Gamble]

[Boston C's]

lmaooo nice.... I just want spud to admit that hes wrong and that its actually close... idc if he thinks pierce deserves it more because you can make a case for him but the fact that he thinks its no contest is just absolutely retarded

[Boston C's]

spud hasnt shown his face since his thread backfired on him miserably... anyone know what the hell happened to him

[albas89]

My vote goes to Paul Pierce.
More complete player, better overall.