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Re: Does Lebron really make his teammates better? Varejao?
Originally Posted by STATUTORY
ball dominating players like Lebron, Wade, Chris Paul, never make their teammates better. they reduce them to spot up shooters or backdoor cutters or fastbreak finishers.
People conflate high assist numbers with being good teammate when in reality they are completely different things.
A young player like Blake Griffin probably is hurting his development as a complete NBA player playing next to Chris Paul. Real talk
look at what happened to beasley smh
Cp3 is Nash alike. Totally difference
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Re: Does Lebron really make his teammates better? Varejao?
Originally Posted by STATUTORY
ball dominating players like Lebron, Wade, Chris Paul, never make their teammates better. they reduce them to spot up shooters or backdoor cutters or fastbreak finishers.
People conflate high assist numbers with being good teammate when in reality they are completely different things.
A young player like Blake Griffin probably is hurting his development as a complete NBA player playing next to Chris Paul. Real talk
look at what happened to beasley smh
This. Except, I wouldn't put CP3 in that category. He is a pure point guard.
A shooter like Ray Allen (at his age, of course) can benefit from playing alongside Lebron, but any other star would suffer immensely, especially traditional big guys. Lebron's game does nothing for them, so I don't get people's bitching about their lack of centers. They continue to go out and sign shooters instead for a reason.
I also don't understand when people say that Lebron can be the best point guard in the league if he plays that position full time. Well, guess what, he already does! And the fact that he can't even average 10 assists per game tells you that he is not that effective at distributing the ball.
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Re: Does Lebron really make his teammates better? Varejao?
Players do improve you know...
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Re: Does Lebron really make his teammates better? Varejao?
Originally Posted by ripthekik
So does this debunk the myth spread by Lebron fans that Cleveland was scrub city? ONLY now after Lebron is gone, we start recognizing talent like Varejao who is an excellent rebounder and player.
Cavs back then had all-star talents like Varejao, and a lot of shooters and defensive player who fit the team well.
So why can't they win any games without Lebron with all that talent you claim they had/have?
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Re: Does Lebron really make his teammates better? Varejao?
Originally Posted by STATUTORY
ball dominating players like Lebron, Wade, Chris Paul, never make their teammates better. they reduce them to spot up shooters or backdoor cutters or fastbreak finishers.
People conflate high assist numbers with being good teammate when in reality they are completely different things.
A young player like Blake Griffin probably is hurting his development as a complete NBA player playing next to Chris Paul. Real talk
look at what happened to beasley smh
Not true about Paul, but it's starting to be true this year. Last year, he made the players around him better. This year, not so much. Lebron and Wade are different. Lebron does make people better, but not to the extent people suggest. Making the play for someone does not make them better. Magic Johnson, Jason Kidd...they make people better. Look at the Denver game in Denver earlier this year. Lebron was great, but he wasn't making people better. I think people just like to say what sounds good.
Tho Varejao has greatly improved. Did Lebron hold him back? I don't know, but regardless he is better now than he was then.
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Re: Does Lebron really make his teammates better? Varejao?
He made the Finals twice. Who cares what effect he has on Varejao's numbers? And another thing: What does Varejao's rebounding have to do with James? Stupid topic.
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Re: Does Lebron really make his teammates better? Varejao?
Originally Posted by Whoah10115
Not true about Paul, but it's starting to be true this year. Last year, he made the players around him better. This year, not so much. Lebron and Wade are different. Lebron does make people better, but not to the extent people suggest. Making the play for someone does not make them better. Magic Johnson, Jason Kidd...they make people better. Look at the Denver game in Denver earlier this year. Lebron was great, but he wasn't making people better. I think people just like to say what sounds good.
Tho Varejao has greatly improved. Did Lebron hold him back? I don't know, but regardless he is better now than he was then.
making players "better" is more about how you lead on and off the court. whether you help players develop as players by improving their work ethic, dimensions of their game etc. As well as giving those players the freedom to hone their skills in game situation.
Kobe has done more for his teammates than Lebron ever has.
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Re: Does Lebron really make his teammates better? Varejao?
Originally Posted by STATUTORY
making players "better" is more about how you lead on and off the court. whether you help players develop as players by improving their work ethic, dimensions of their game etc. As well as giving those players the freedom to hone their skills in game situation.
Kobe has done more for his teammates than Lebron ever has.
That's an intangible quality that you can't really measure.
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Re: Does Lebron really make his teammates better? Varejao?
Making players better is the most cliche and overused term in basketball. There's no such thing as making players better, you can only make the game easier. Playing with a superstar is not going to magically add athleticism or fix a broken jumpshot. The term really just needs to stop being used in basketball vocabulary. And the whole premise of the OP has to be the stupidest way I've seen someone hate on Lebron.
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Re: Does Lebron really make his teammates better? Varejao?
Reach for it....REACH FOR IT
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Re: Does Lebron really make his teammates better? Varejao?
Originally Posted by plowking
So why can't they win any games without Lebron with all that talent you claim they had/have?
because they played in a system that was customized for lebron, they adapted their roles for him. once lebron left, the SYSTEM broke.
they also didn't win because they lost so many personnel, the team was gutted. they didn't lose lebron, they lost the central gear to their team. When you spend the last 7 years building your team around 1 player and he leaves suddenly.. it's going to take you a season or 2 to adjust.
Verajao was a rebounding, hustling machine who is an EXCELLENT player that every team would love to have. In the lebron system it seems like he has no skills and can only hustle. there's really no way another player can shine if they play in the same team as lebron, unless they're a shooter.
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Re: Does Lebron really make his teammates better? Varejao?
Originally Posted by ripthekik
because they played in a system that was customized for lebron, they adapted their roles for him. once lebron left, the SYSTEM broke.
they also didn't win because they lost so many personnel, the team was gutted. they didn't lose lebron, they lost the central gear to their team. When you spend the last 7 years building your team around 1 player and he leaves suddenly.. it's going to take you a season or 2 to adjust.
Verajao was a rebounding, hustling machine who is an EXCELLENT player that every team would love to have. In the lebron system it seems like he has no skills and can only hustle. there's really no way another player can shine if they play in the same team as lebron, unless they're a shooter.
Didn't BigZ and Mo Williams have "shining" years while Lebron's teammates? Both even made the all-star team, I believe.
Drew Gooden also had some of his highestt rebounding years while alongside Lebron, as well as point averages
Last edited by r15mohd; 11-27-2012 at 02:18 PM.
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7-time NBA All-Star
Re: Does Lebron really make his teammates better? Varejao?
Originally Posted by ripthekik
It's not like he was a rookie or something. Why is it he suddenly blossom into an Allstar the exact same year Lebron left, and now 1 year without Lebron, he is straight balling?
He goes into double digit in scoring and rebound AFTER Lebron left.
Also, let's look at guys like Wade, Bosh. Did Lebron make them better? Hell, Wade had a very good career as a top 3 player in the league when Lebron joined and what happened to him now? Bosh was his franchise's leader for 7 years, as soon as he leaves to Miami he is simply an star forward who gets disrespected
Look at all the clues here, guys. Why are all Lebron teams just a one-man team, consisting of him doing everything? Fact: Lebron doesn't make anyone better, he makes his stats look better, that's all.
You're slipping man. This is a horrible troll job.
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