If team accomplishment didn't factor in

[dubeta]

Top of the thread:

Top career PER is all that matters

Duncan has a top 7 PER, really top 5 if you don't include a milkman and Chris Paul.

Looks like you're backtracking.

How about LeBron's under 40% shooting and giving away Finals MVPs to guys he's supposed to be guarding?

Also, haven't you made a million threads about the East being the tougher conference?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...er_career.html


Its 13th but nice try

[Marchesk]

PER X MVPS is probably the best overall statistic

It weeds out the CP3's and D-Wades who werent really that dominant (hence no MVPs)

PER X MVPS X (WS/48 + [TS% - TOV%]) / (ORTG + DRTG + PTS_PER_100_POS) * (USG% + FMVP_POS_OPP_TEAM%^2)

[feyki]

PER X MVPS X (WS/48 + [TS% - TOV%]) / (ORTG + DRTG + PTS_PER_100_POS) * (USG% + FMVP_POS_OPP_TEAM%^2)

[kennethgriffin]

#1 Wilt
#2 Kareem
#3 Shaq
#4 Oscar
#5 Baylor


its amazing what logic can do to an all time ranking

its almost as if theres more to it than stats

[ShaqTwizzle]

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Shaq
4. Russell (maybe too high?)
5. Magic
6. Duncan
7. Hakeem
8. Lebron (will be higher in the future)
9. Bird
10. Wilt
11. Kobe

[kennethgriffin]

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Shaq
4. Russell (maybe too high?)
5. Magic
6. Duncan
7. Hakeem
8. Lebron (will be higher in the future)
9. Bird
10. Wilt
11. Kobe

lol wtf.. you actually think russell, magic, duncan, bird would be that high without their accomplishments?

[ShaqTwizzle]

lol wtf.. you actually think russell, magic, duncan, bird would be that high without their accomplishments?

Russ maybe not but he isn't easily judged.

Magic is maybe the offensive GOAT.

Duncan has great longevity, defense and pretty nice offense.
His career value is pretty high.

Bird is kinda overrated career wise but had a nasty Peak and he had amazing skill/intangibles/leadership.
Having him at #9 is lower then most I would think especially here.
Surprised that would bother you.

Who would you have over those guys?
Baylor was an inefficient chucker who lacked longevity.
He was pretty mediocre after the weak ultra fast paced early 60's.

Wilt was nice in the reg-season but his offensive stats in the playoffs aren't very impressive, he usually played bad in elimination series and he was by many accounts mentally weak.

Oscar... I dunno. Maybe you can justify a higher ranking for him here.

Who else?

[LoneyROY7]

OP, how can you continue to titillated by a player who's last game in the NBA was 40 years ago?

Are you that old, or are you just fascinated by grainy youtube clips?

[Marchesk]

OP, how can you continue to titillated by a player who's last game in the NBA was 40 years ago?

Are you that old, or are you just fascinated by grainy youtube clips?

Criticize him all you like for 2/6, no other player did what he did in the history of the game. But I have Jordan as GOAT, so ...

[dubeta]

no other player did what he did in the history of the game.

What? half his ppg from the regular season to the Finals?


Reduce his ppg every postseason of his career?


Check himself out of a Finals Game 7, just to cry to get back in once his replacement was actually outplaying him

[Im so nba'd out]

Big time kobe fan here. i wish this was the case.It would actually catapult kobe into the all time top 10.He would no longer have the stains of 3 backpackshaq rings like the 1st one where he averaged 12 ppg in the finals and big fella put up a whooping 40 ppg.Them Robin rings really just ruins any case he has to be in the same class as the goat MJ