All Jordan FG's With Kobe Defending

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5 FG's on Kobe in in 1998 All-Star game (to Kobe's zero)..

8 FG's in regular season games (to Kobe's 4).





[COLOR="Red"]The clip below shows the VERY FIRST TIME Kobe ever guarded Jordan... Embaaaarrassinggg...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx9xhHsxukc&t=1m20s.....

Jordan used to crush Kobe like a father toys with his son.. No big deal - it's just a good thing Kobe wasn't starting, because Eddie Jones was really the one that caught the brunt of the abuse.

Eddie Jones was one of a bevy of SG's during Jordan's 2nd three-peat that otherwise played great defense, but that Jordan toyed with - Latrell Sprewell, Clyde Drexler, Penny, Kendall Gill, Ray Allen, Stacey Augmon, Michael Finley, and just a TON of other guys if we were to go through the whole list.

[navy]

Jordan and Kobe's relevant years didnt overlap....

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MJ scored 5 times while Kobe was guarding him in the 1998 All-Star game (to Kobe's zero)... and another 8 times in regular season games (to Kobe's 4).


The clip below shows the VERY FIRST TIME Kobe ever guarded Jordan... Embaaaarrassinggg...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx9xhHsxukc&t=1m20s.....

Jordan used to crush Kobe like a father toys with his son.. No big deal - it's just a good thing Kobe wasn't starting, because Eddie Jones was really the one that caught the brunt of the abuse.

Eddie Jones was one of a bevy of SG's during Jordan's 2nd three-peat that otherwise played great defense, but that Jordan toyed with - Latrell Sprewell, Nick Anderson, Kendall Gill, Ray Allen, Stacey Augmon, Michael Finley, Mitch Richmond, and just a TON of other guys if we were to go through the whole list.

Those names still sending shivers down my spine

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Those names still sending shivers down my spine

You only highlighted 3 guys, so that's still a lot of SG's that DO send shivers down your spine.

Also, Eddie Jones, Ray Allen, and Nick Anderson would all be top 10 SG's in today's game, and all were noted defenders.

I didn't even mention defensive specialists like Doug Christie or Derrick McKey that Jordan destroyed, let alone the guys like Reggie Miller or Allan Houston who weren't great defenders, but that would still rank very highly among todays SG's.

Let's face it.. the two-guard spot in today's game is horrific compared to previous eras along with the bigs.. (and i only mentioned A FEW guys from 96'-98, not even the best SG's either).
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[Cocaine80s]

Kobe>jordan

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You only highlighted 3 guys, so that's still a lot of SG's that DO send shivers down your spine.

Also, Eddie Jones, Ray Allen, and Nick Anderson would all be top 10 SG's in today's game, and all were noted defenders.

I'd reply now but you are gonna edit your post and add another paragraph to it so I will wait.

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MJ huge quickness mismatch for Garnett:











***KG and MJ both played SF in 2002 - in their first meeting when MJ was a Wizard, they were matched up SF vs. SF for the entire game.. MJ scored 35 on Garnett in every way imaginable from the opening tip - at the 4:00 mark, Jordan scores on Garnett for 5 consecutive possessions, with the announcers getting more excited each time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=embqhggoep4

Lebron was never guarded by a prime Garnett.. I doubt he would have the quickness to make it a huge mismatch like MJ did.. After all, guys like Boris Diaw, Gordon Hayward fare well against Lebron defensively..

Kobe also never went head-to-head with prime Garnett either.. He wouldn't be strong of explosive enough to take advantage of him like MJ does above, so Kobe wouldn't have anything to counter KG's length, similar to a Tayshaun Prince.
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[Smoke117]

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MJ scored 5 times while Kobe was guarding him in the 1998 All-Star game (to Kobe's zero)... and another 8 times in regular season games (to Kobe's 4).


The clip below shows the VERY FIRST TIME Kobe ever guarded Jordan... Embaaaarrassinggg...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx9xhHsxukc&t=1m20s.....

Jordan used to crush Kobe like a father toys with his son.. No big deal - it's just a good thing Kobe wasn't starting, because Eddie Jones was really the one that caught the brunt of the abuse.

Eddie Jones was one of a bevy of SG's during Jordan's 2nd three-peat that otherwise played great defense, but that Jordan toyed with - Latrell Sprewell, Nick Anderson, Kendall Gill, Ray Allen, Stacey Augmon, Michael Finley, Mitch Richmond, and just a TON of other guys if we were to go through the whole list.

Apparently you have a wide definition of great.

[deja vu]

Kobe>jordan

5>6

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Apparently you have a wide definition of great.

i could have mentioned average defenders like reggie miller, allan houston, jim jackson, steve smith, jerry stackhouse, jeff hornacek and isiah rider - there are a ton of average defenders like these guys in today's game.

and other than isiah rider, all these guys would be top 10 SG's in today's game.

but instead of mentioning these guys, i made sure that all the guys i mentioned in OP were very good defenders (and Jones and Augmon were great defenders).... didn't even include drexler, but even without him, mid-late 90's SG's easily crush today's crop.

also, kobe's best defense came his first 3-4 years in the league... just like mcgrady - while they were their lightest and quickest.

[Smoke117]

i could have mentioned average defenders like reggie miller, allan houston, jim jackson, steve smith, jerry stackhouse, jeff hornacek and isiah rider - there are a ton of average defenders like these guys in today's game.

and other than isiah rider, all these guys would be top 10 SG's in today's game.

but instead of mentioning these guys, i made sure that all the guys i mentioned in OP were very good defenders (and Jones and Augmon were great defenders).... didn't even include drexler, but even without him, mid-late 90's SG's easily crush today's crop.

also, kobe's best defense came his first 3-4 years in the league... just like mcgrady - while they were their lightest and quickest.

Oh I agree with that part...but it had nothing to do with them being lighter or quicker and everything to do with effort.

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when i look at the list, i see less than 5 SG's from today's game that i would say are "good" defenders.

and some of the top SG's in the league today are complete aids defensively (wade, harden).
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[SamuraiSWISH]

Jordan and Kobe's relevant years didnt overlap....

True.

35 year old MJ gave 19 year old Kobe the BIDNESS in that 1998 ASG though. No questions asked. They guarded each other, Kobe tried to go at him and it wasn't like from a physical ability stand point they both weren't capable that season. MJ was seasoned, but lacked his prime level hops / quickness. Kobe had the physical ability but obviously not the intelligence, and refinement.

But it was the most equal footing we would see from them taking each other on.

Which wasn't the case however with prime 23 / 24 year old Kobe v.s. ancient 39 / 40 year old Jordan ... who unlike 35 year old versions of himself had no physical ability. Just skill, and craftiness.

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True.

35 year old MJ gave 19 year old Kobe the BIDNESS in that 1998 ASG though. No questions asked. They guarded each other, Kobe tried to go at him and it wasn't like from a physical ability stand point they both weren't capable that season. MJ was seasoned, but lacked his prime level hops / quickness. Kobe had the physical ability but obviously not the intelligence, and refinement.

But it was the most equal footing we would see from them taking each other on.

Which wasn't the case however with prime 23 / 24 year old Kobe v.s. ancient 39 / 40 year old Jordan ... who unlike 35 year old versions of himself had no physical ability. Just skill, and craftiness.

agreed.

jordan got 89 dunks as a 35 year-old in 1998, good for top 5% in the league... but when he came back 3 years later as a Wizard, he got 20 dunks each season, good for top 50%...

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Oh I agree with that part.

only that part?

you don't think eddie jones, latrell sprewell, nick anderson, clyde drexler, doug christie, ray allen, michael finley, kendall gill, and derrick mckey are good defenders?

which SG's from today's game are better defenders than any of the guys from 1996 that i just listed?