People rank Lebron close to MJ because Lebron is the first guy to match MJ physically

[3ball]

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So people can't get passed that despite the statistical evidence (below) showing him to be far less skilled:


- LOW ASSISTED RATE - doesn't know how to play off teammates, lacks off-ball game

- WEAK JUMPSHOT - lacks critical mid-range component that allows timely scoring, so needs extra offensive help compared to midrange kings Dirk/MJ/Kobe

- EXCESSIVE TIME OF POSSESSION/BALL-DOMINANCE - reducing teammates to spot-up shooter doesn't develop teammates, teamwork or the team, so he seeks more talent to offset the weak brand of ball



The lesser skill = 3/9 despite stacked teams

[Gus Hemmingway]

Higher 3 point %

Higher assist %

Higher rebound %

Higher FG% career wise

Higher finishing % (in the paint)



So to conclude LeBron was the better 3 point shooter, assister, rebounder, more efficient scorer, and better finisher in the paint



3ball, refute each point?

[3ball]

Higher 3 point %

Higher assist %

Higher rebound %

Higher FG% career wise

Higher finishing % (in the paint)



So to conclude LeBron was the better 3 point shooter, assister, rebounder, more efficient scorer, and better finisher in the paint



3ball, refute each point?

Assist %

MJ was capable of averaging more assists than Lebron (1991 Finals), but decided to invent a lower assist, timely scoring style that has won most of the rings since 91', ala 06' Wade/11'Dirk/19' Kawhi/KD/Kobe/MJ/Curry/Duncan

Rebound %

the game is setup so guards don't have to get 10 rebounds for a team to win, which turns Lebron's rebound edge into "empty" stats"

Higher FG%

Lebron's field goal percentage is 0.4% higher than MJ in the playoffs, but he scores 5 less ppg - that's more than a fair trade-off and any Lebron fan wishes they could reverse it (they'd trade 0.4% for 5 ppg)

Higher at-rim finishing %

We don't have prime MJ's at-rim percentages (only 97' and 98').. But previous eras focused on paint defense while today's era must guard the 3-point line and enjoys a spacing-induced threes/layups shot allocation, so most elite perimeter players have higher at-rim percentage, not just Lebron.. But the reality is that MJ is the goat shot maker in traffic, and it's not close - no one finished better over length than MJ

Higher 3-pt percentage

Not when it mattered - 35.2% on 2.2 attempts in 85-93' playoffs.. 39% on 3.8 in 91-93 playoffs.. 43% on 3.8 attempts in 91-93' Finals

And not when MJ tried - he attempted less than 1.5 threes every year except for 90' and 93' where he took 3+ attempts and shot 37.6% and 35.2%

[Gus Hemmingway]

Assist %

MJ was capable of averaging more assists than Lebron (1991 Finals), but decided to invent a lower assist, timely scoring style that has won most of the rings since 91', ala 06' Wade/11'Dirk/19' Kawhi/KD/Kobe/MJ/Curry/Duncan

Rebound %

the game is setup so guards don't have to get 10 rebounds for a team to win, which makes Lebron's rebound edge "empty" stats

Higher FG%

Lebron's field goal percentage is 0.4% higher than MJ in the playoffs, but he scores 5 less ppg - so it's more than a fair trade-off that any Lebron fan wishes they could reverse (they'd trade 0.4% for 5 ppg)

Higher at-rim finishing %

We don't have prime MJ's at-rim percentages (only 97' and 98').. But previous eras focused on paint defense while today's era must guard the 3-point linenand enjoys a threes/layups shot allocation, so most elite perimeter players have higher at-rim percentage, not just Lebron.. But the reality is that MJ is the goat shot maker in traffic, and it's not close

Higher 3-pt percentage

Not when it mattered - 35.2% on 2.2 attempts in 85-93' playoffs.. 39% on 3.8 in 91-93 playoffs.. 43% on 3.8 attempts in 91-93' Finals

And not when MJ tried - he attempted less than 1.5 threes every year except for 90' and 93' where he took 3+ attempts and shot 37.6% and 35.2%

So you agree with all my facts? All you said was "Yes, thats true buut it doesnt matter"

[3ball]

So you agree with all my facts? All you said was "Yes, thats true buut it doesnt matter"

Whatever dude, you quoted my post without reading it and before it was edited

but I answered everything you said and now you have nothing except troll responses... carry on mr lame ass

[Gus Hemmingway]

STFU dude, you quoted my post without reading it and before it was edited

but I answered everything you said and now you have nothing except troll responses... carry on mr lame ass

Why so mad?

Are you still trying to figure out why 4 rebounds and 2 assists was enough for MJ to win but 12 rebounds and 10 assists was not enough for LeBron? (Both averaged 34 ppg but LeBron shot 10% higher)

[Uncle Drew]

Whatever dude, you quoted my post without reading it and before it was edited

Which is impossible because you edit every post 34394839 times.

[3ball]

Which is impossible because you edit every post 34394839 times.

Fair enough, except I answered the 5 points he made, but he didn't answer the 3 points I listed in the OP

Its like, lebron was an inferior player, and his posters are inferior at posting too

Here's the Lebron stan posting style: skip the OP's points... post their own... when they get directly refuted, resort to trolling without ever addressing the OP

However, it just occurred to me that ignoring the OP could be a passive-aggressive concession of sorts, so actually that's the best way to look at it.. he already conceded..

[Gus Hemmingway]

Fair enough, except I answered the 5 points he made, but he didn't answer the 3 points I listed in the OP

Its like, lebron was an inferior player, and his posters are inferior at posting too

Here's the Lebron stan posting style: skip the OP's points... post their own... when they get directly refuted, resort to trolling without ever addressing the OP

However, it just occurred to me that ignoring the OP could be a passive-aggressive concession of sorts, so actually that's the best way to look at it.. he already conceded..

Why did you delete and repost this?

[3ball]

Why did you delete and repost this?

How did you respond so fast?

Do you have like 5 screens open waiting to pounce when a response is posted in various threads or something?.. I don't know how it works to have 1355367 alts.. please explain

[sdot_thadon]

People rank Lebron close to MJ because Lebron is........

That damn good.

And apparently it shakes you to your 1992 core.

[Ne 1]

If LeBron couldn't play off the ball he wouldn't have had success with DWade or Kyrie. If LeBron's ball dominance wasn't good for his teammates, how did Bosh and Love continue to be all-stars while it took MJ leaving the Bulls for BJ and Horace Grant to be all-stars?

[3ball]

(Lebron is) That damn good.

So why only 3 rings compared to MJ???

You already know why I think he has so few rings compared to MJ (see the OP), but why do you think he does?

[Gus Hemmingway]

So why only 3 rings compared to MJ???

You already know why I think he has so few rings compared to MJ (see the OP), but why do you think he does?

Why were his Finals stats as good or better than MJs and only 3 rings?


Either his teams weren’t as good and/or his competition was tougher


The truth is it’s both

[3ball]