Gary Payton has become insanely underrated

[LT Ice Cream]

I didn't start watching basketball until 2008, and most of the people you are dealing with here probably never saw Payton play either. It's not that we underrate him, he is just unfortunately irrelevant for my generation of NBA fans. Even Jordan will be relatively unknown by the youth 10 years from now. That's just how it goes.

But from what you guys are saying, it seems that he should be rated above Nash because Nash is a poor defender.

[I'm Seriously]

Kidd-Nash is debatable, but I give the edge to Nash there. That being said, I felt like Nash benefited greatly from the no hand-checking rule. It took away one of his biggest weaknesses.

Please explain.

[Meticode]

I didn't start watching basketball until 2008, and most of the people you are dealing with here probably never saw Payton play either. It's not that we underrate him, he is just unfortunately irrelevant for my generation of NBA fans. Even Jordan will be relatively unknown by the youth 10 years from now. That's just how it goes.

But from what you guys are saying, it seems that he should be rated above Nash because Nash is a poor defender.

Payton would've had a ring. But Jordan said no no.

[hayden695]

Payton would've had a ring. But Jordan said no no.

Payton does have a ring though!

[Force]

Kidd-Nash is debatable, but I give the edge to Nash there. That being said, I felt like Nash benefited greatly from the no hand-checking rule. It took away one of his biggest weaknesses.

Yes, right after the hand check rule changed and defenses weren't allowed to guard the paint, Nash went off and excelled. I think every point guard today is overrated. Thomas and KJ would have murdered everyone if they played with today's rules. You don't even need to have a jumpshot to be a top PG today. If defenses can't touch you, you are going to be able to make a play.

Kidd was far below Payton's level of defense, but Kidd was a VERY VERY good defender. All those all defense teams he has he actually earned and deserved.

[iamgine]

If I have a good defensive big, I'd pick Nash. Otherwise Payton. Lets not forget Steve Nash is one of the GOAT shooter and GOAT playmaker.

[keep-itreal]

What was Gary Payton offense like ? Was he a good shooter,(mid-range, 3pt) or was he a slasher like d-rose?

[D.J.]

What was Gary Payton offense like ? Was he a good shooter,(mid-range, 3pt) or was he a slasher like d-rose?

He was versatile. He could shoot threes if he had to, but he was streaky so he didn't shoot too many for most of his career. He was excellent in the post for his size and he took smart shots. Payton was efficient and rarely took low percentage shots. That's why before Kemp left, he was regularly shooting 50% or close to it.

[DeronMillsap]

I love the Glove. I was rooting for him in 1996.
Payton is a top 5 PG, and will be there for awhile.

[Nash-tastic]

How are they same efficiency wise?

Payton's career TS% 52.8 Paytons peak TS% 56.4 averaging 20.6 PPG

Nash's career TS% 60.6 Nash's peak TS% 65.4 averaging 18.6 PPG

I agree that the Glove was the better all around player, but effeciency wise it's Nash and it's not even close.

I stand corrected.

[ProfessorMurder]

I love the Glove. I was rooting for him in 1996.
Payton is a top 5 PG, and will be there for awhile.

Top 5:

Magic/Big O/Stockton/Isiah/Glove

Cousy could be in there too I suppose.

[LT Ice Cream]

He's still no Rondo. Or Rose for that matter.

[oh the horror]

I didn't start watching basketball until 2008, and most of the people you are dealing with here probably never saw Payton play either. It's not that we underrate him, he is just unfortunately irrelevant for my generation of NBA fans. Even Jordan will be relatively unknown by the youth 10 years from now. That's just how it goes.
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Shit, thats already starting now.

[Force]

What was Gary Payton offense like ? Was he a good shooter,(mid-range, 3pt) or was he a slasher like d-rose?

He had the mid range game, he had the running floater, he was good at going to the whole and finishing with a lay up but he also was very very good with his post up game. Dribbling with his back to the hoop just backing his defender down. I can't think of very many instances of GP dunking a ball, lol. Rose has a way to go before he can deserved to be mentioned with the likes of GP.

Also GP was very vocal on the court. Great leadership. He was always talking on both ends of the court.

[LT Ice Cream]

Shit, thats already starting now.

yup, sports stars only remain popular with those who witnessed their feats first-hand. Jordan is just the guy from 2k11 according to some of the kids I deal with.