AD is shedding light on Kareem's career & ranking, imo (new all-time rankings inside)

[3ball]

And the 7 straight All-NBA, 10 straight All-D and 6 straight top 10 MVP finishes?

Again, MJ elevated him - no one else with Pippen's weak stats and many poor series is anywhere near that high..

anyone else gets crushed and perma-banned from all-time great lists for the kind of horrific series that Pippen often had.. but mj elevated pippen, so pippen gets a pass for his horrific play

[72-10]

Scottie Pippen made a lot of mistakes

[1987_Lakers]

Both AD and Kareem needed super-point guards like Oscar, Magic, and now Lebron to find synergies and have a great team.

Without these guys bird-feeding them, they're losers.

I mentioned last year that AD's teams are only as good as the guys getting him the ball, which explains his weak teams in previous years (I like Jrue Holiday, but there's a lot of teams with ballhandlers that compare or exceed him, hence AD's underwhelming teams in previous years)

[3ball]

What's the point of bringing up old rankings from a year ago that i changed many times?

Oh I know - you can't debate me on the substance

Carry on

[Roundball_Rock]

[SouBeachTalents]

What's the point of bringing up old rankings from a year ago that i changed many times?

Oh I know - you can't debate me on the substance

Carry on

You doing a complete 180 on players who retired 30 years ago in less than one year shows how completely full of shit you are and how little your opinions should be taken seriously

[The Iron Fist]

Kareem>>>Jordan

[1987_Lakers]

You doing a complete 180 on players who retired 30 years ago in less than one year shows how completely full of shit you are and how little your opinions should be taken seriously

[Roundball_Rock]

You doing a complete 180 on players who retired 30 years ago in less than one year shows how completely full of shit you are and how little your opinions should be taken seriously

[3ball]

You doing a complete 180 on players who retired 30 years ago in less than one year shows how completely full of shit you are and how little your opinions should be taken seriously

Any change of opinion happens in a given year, so you're just mad that I learned more and changed my mind

Face facts - Magic and Kareem can't both be top 5 given their weak Finals record (only 5-4 including asterisk rings).. so one of them must be bumped down - I ultimately chose Magic, since his ball-dominance hinders team ceiling/Finals record just like Lebron's - I have them neck-and-neck in the rankings

Ultimately, Lebron's skillset imposes spot-up roles in teammates, which doesn't develop brand or young players, and therefore needs ready-made stars to win (talent-based winning).. Talent-based winning has a lower long-run expectation than a combination of talent and the best brand

[Gus Hemmingway]

Any change of opinion happens in a given year, so you're just mad that I learned more and changed my mind

Face facts - Magic and Kareem can't both be top 5 given their weak Finals record (only 5-4 including asterisk rings).. so one of them must be bumped down - I ultimately chose Magic, since his ball-dominance hinders team ceiling/Finals record just like Lebron's - I have them neck-and-neck in the rankings

Ultimately, Lebron's skillset imposes spot-up roles in teammates, which doesn't develop brand or young players, and therefore needs ready-made stars to win (talent-based winning).. Talent-based winning has a lower long-run expectation than a combination of talent and the best brand

Does LeBron win if he only averaged 4 rebounds and 2 assists?

[Roundball_Rock]

Does LeBron win if he only averaged 4 rebounds and 2 assists?

No way--they don't get close to a chip without LeBron dominating as a playmaker and leading the team in rebounding (a PG outrebounded AD).

[3ball]

No way--they don't get close to a chip without LeBron dominating as a playmaker and leading the team in rebounding (a PG outrebounded AD).

Lebron can't play off-ball (2-4 minutes time of possession, not 8-10)

So we don't know if he can get 45 points and 52% of team points while barely touching th ball in the brand of ball....

at an 82 pace and 105 drtg

lol.. carry on

[Gus Hemmingway]

No way--they don't get close to a chip without LeBron dominating as a playmaker and leading the team in rebounding (a PG outrebounded AD).

Hmm interesting.. how did the Bulls win in 1998 with Jordan getting 4 rebounds and 2 assists with 43% FG if Pippen was “trash” as 3ball says?

[Gus Hemmingway]

Lebron can't play off-ball (2-4 minutes time of possession, not 8-10)

So we don't know if he can get 45 points and 52% of team points while barely touching th ball in the brand of ball....

at an 82 pace and 105 drtg

lol.. carry on

How did Bulls win in 1998 with Jordan getting 4/2 on 43% FG?