AD is shedding light on Kareem's career & ranking, imo (new all-time rankings inside)

[TheCorporation]

You doing a complete 180 on players who retired 30 years ago in less than one year shows how completely full of shit you are and how little your opinions should be taken seriously

K.O.

[Roundball_Rock]

Hmm interesting.. how did the Bulls win in 1998 with Jordan getting 4 rebounds and 2 assists with 43% FG if Pippen was “trash” as 3ball says?

Pippen dominated the first four games (Bulls 3-1) defensively before getting hurt, wrecking the #1 Jazz offense (the Stockton they hype watched this happen and did nothing). Google 1998 finals Pippen or "Pippen Finals MVP 1998" and you will see coverage from the time about that. Stuff 1-9ball and other stains won't mention.

[3ball]

How did Bulls win in 1998 with Jordan getting 4/2 on 43% FG?

Only 3 players averaged over 30 in a Finals of under 90 pace

And MJ did it several times, with the 98' series having the slowest pace ever, only 82.0.. so based on the 2020 Finals pace and drtg, 98' mj averaged about 36.5 (if you add 10% for pace), and then another 10% due to the big gap in drtg.. so MJ averaged about 40, based on the pace and drtg of the 2020 Finals

You guys don't understand that MJ was always holding back from scoring/shooting more - he'd mastered the art of letting teammates score on possessions they could score on, and scoring himself in bailout situations or important junctures of the game.

[3ball]

Pippen dominated the first four games (Bulls 3-1) defensively before getting hurt, wrecking the #1 Jazz offense (the Stockton they hype watched this happen and did nothing). Google 1998 finals Pippen or "Pippen Finals MVP 1998" and you will see coverage from the time about that. Stuff 1-9ball and other stains won't mention.

Pippen had Paul George-like numbers - around 20/7/5 on spotty efficiency

That isn't dominating

Then he pulls his migraine crap and disappears for the last 2 games, just like the 89' ECF, 90' ECF, 92' ECSF, 96' Finals, and 97' ECF

[3ball]

Do you guys really think pippen should get more shots in the 96' Finals when he's averaging 15 on 34%?

You want to give him MORE shots??..

Or for the entire 96-98' Playoffs when he's averaging 17 on 41%?.. he should get MORE shots?

The point is that MJ had score a record percentage of team points (burden), record ppg, and record margin above 2nd option.

[SouBeachTalents]

Pippen dominated the first four games (Bulls 3-1) defensively before getting hurt, wrecking the #1 Jazz offense (the Stockton they hype watched this happen and did nothing). Google 1998 finals Pippen or "Pippen Finals MVP 1998" and you will see coverage from the time about that. Stuff 1-9ball and other stains won't mention.

Most players consider playing defense barely more than a necessary evil, something to be done so the fun part of the game can be resumed. Then there's Bulls forward Scottie Pippen, who can do all that as well as anyone. But his passion and talent for shutting down opponents has turned him into the defensive equivalent of his more offensive-minded teammate, Michael Jordan.

"Scottie sets the tempo defensively," Jordan said. "The more active he is, the better we are. His confidence is just as strong as mine, his competitiveness is just as strong as mine. It's like playing with a twin brother."

It was a defensive masterpiece by the Bulls, one unmatched in NBA history, not to mention Finals history. The Jazz's 54 points might have been just enough to beat the Green Bay Packers. This wasn't a basketball game, it was Kerry Wood blowing away the Houston Astros. It was Bob Gibson in the World Series. It was one man taking out a team.

Oh, sure, this was a team effort by the Bulls. Ron Harper was wonderful in steering Stockton toward the baseline to limit the options on the Jazz's famed pick-and-roll. So was Michael Jordan, who took just 14 shots but still had 24 points to lead the Bulls. But it was mostly Pippen, who has thwarted the Jazz like no other player, never mind a whole team. And his 10 points, four rebounds and four assists were only part of the story.

After the Bulls defeated the Jazz in the Finals last season, Stockton's summary was that the Jazz had no answer for Pippen. Utah is still failing that test. "The luxury for us is to have a defender like Scottie who can cover more than one situation at a time," coach Phil Jackson said.

If the Bulls win these Finals, Pippen should be the Most Valuable Player. "There have been terrific defenders in the history of the Finals," Jackson said. "You can go back to (Michael) Cooper for the Lakers, and Bobby Jones with the 76ers and other players who have played outstanding defense. The majority of those players are great one-on-one players. Scottie is able to be a one-man wrecking crew"

Pippen is using the finals to reaffirm his position as the game's most complete and chaos-inspiring defensive player. On Sunday, he was largely responsible for the lowest scoring total in NBA history since the advent of the shot clock, when the Bulls pulverized the Jazz, 96-54, to take a two-games-to-one lead.

Pippen roamed the floor, spreading his 6-foot-7-inch angular body from player to player on the Jazz roster. Twenty-six Utah turnovers and an unprecedented finals rout later, everyone wanted to know how one player could cause such disruption. This post-season alone, he shut down Charlotte's Glen Rice in the second round and discombobulated the Pacers' offense in the Conference finals.

Whereas everyone remembers Steve Kerr's game-winning shot in Game 6 of last season's finals against the Jazz, few recall what happened moments later. Pippen deflected the inbounds pass on the other end to Toni Kukoc, who dunked to seal the victory and Chicago's fifth title

"The first time I came to Chicago, I didn't have that kind of person beside me," Jordan said. "Ever since he's been here, it's made it a lot easier for me." You can look it up. Jordan was a thrill-a-minute scoring machine, and yet in his first three years in the league the Bulls failed to achieve a winning record. Since Pippen's arrival in 1987, Chicago has had 11 straight winning seasons, and the two have developed into the best duo in the league.

Perhaps the most versatile player in the game, who is able to make his mark as a scorer, rebounder or passer, Pippen is standing out this postseason as a defender, no surprise for an eight-time member of the all-NBA defensive team. It was his ability to play the role of a "floater" defensively that set the tone for Sunday's 96-54 win over the Utah Jazz that gave Chicago a 2-1 lead in the NBA Finals. Karl Malone who, while ornery yesterday, took time to praise Pippen. "He could be the best defensive player playing."

Or one of the best ever, according to Hall of Fame coach Jack Ramsay. "I can't think of anybody as good, and there were some great defenders," Ramsay added. "He's the best. He's long, he has a great wingspan, great foot quickness, foot speed and elevation. He has the heart to take a charge from whomever, and he's unbelievable in recovering from help position to run at a shooter. He's amazing"

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[Roundball_Rock]

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Yup, all there and recorded in real time long before anyone knew MJ stans would be crusading against Pippen. Just recording what reporters saw live so their readers could understand what happened in those games.

[3ball]

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Pippen averaged 15 on 41% in the 98' Finals - Lebron never won a Finals with his sidekick playing like that - Lebron never beat any top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick, aka Lebron never had a carry-job against a good team

[TheCorporation]

Pippen averaged 15 on 41% in the 98' Finals - Lebron never won a Finals with his sidekick playing like that - Lebron never beat any top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick, aka Lebron never had a carry-job against a good team

Against?

This guy?



Literal lowest scoring worst second option in Finals history. Congrats

[3ball]

Against?

This guy?



Literal lowest scoring worst second option in Finals history. Congrats

Malone gave the Utah front line massive edge by nearly doubling pippen's scoring average, so MJ had to make that up by outplaying their backcourt by a ton.. scoring and defense

[Roundball_Rock]

Against?

This guy?



Literal lowest scoring worst second option in Finals history. Congrats

Plus this clown brings up scoring when SouBeachTalents decimated him with real time reporting about Pippen dominating that series.

[3ball]

Plus this clown brings up scoring when SouBeachTalents decimated him with real time reporting about Pippen dominating that series.

Real-time reporting my ass

No one thought pippen was dominating and pippen never dominated any series

This is common knowledge.. pippen had Paul George numbers... Worse actually

[3ball]

Bulls were up 3-1 because MJ was getting 33, not because pippen was as getting 20

And Utah was guarding pippen with Hornecek, and using the SF to guard mj.. they were exploiting pippen's weak offense - and many teams did that - pippen's man was always available to guard mj because, who cares about bricklayer and low-scorer pippen.. he was a liability and a joke to exploit, as we saw with Hornecek on pip

[TheCorporation]

Plus this clown brings up scoring when SouBeachTalents decimated him with real time reporting about Pippen dominating that series.

Imagine whining about 15 on 45% but Hornacek did 11 on 41%

Shit is COMICAL

#NotMyGoat

[3ball]

Imagine whining about 15 on 45% but Hornacek did 11 on 41%

Shit is COMICAL

#NotMyGoat

pippen was never talked about and round_liar is misrepresenting the few times that he got an obligatory pat on the back - reporters couldn't wait for him to ACTUALLY dominate, so they waited for him to get Paul George numbers (above pippen's norm)

Ultimately, pippen averaged 15 on 41% in the 98' Finals and 19 on 42% in 6 Finals... 0/6 in FMVP.. so Jordan won 6 carry-job rings.. 1-man team.. if AD averaged 19 on 42%, the Lakers would lose the 1st round