How is it even possible to lose to Dwight Howard in a series with HCA?

[tpols]

Lebron:
2004 - choked the gold medal away
2006 - choked the gold medal away
2007 - choked and swept the title away
2008 - choked the gold medal away
2008 - bailed out by kobe in the gold medal game
2010 - Quit
2011 - choked the finals away

Very astute timeline.

I think 2010 was the breaking point where Lebron realized he chose the wrong sport. Constant huge upsets... bronze medals... underachievements...

He realized he NEEDED ridiculous WWE style tag team help to win. A simple 2nd option wasn't viable. It needed to be MVP. With at least All Star on the side.

And even after that, he still lost to a hungrier, more organic team in the Dallas Mavericks.

And then again to an ancient Spurs team whose never touched their 2014 success since.

[kawhileonard2]

Very astute timeline.

I think 2010 was the breaking point where Lebron realized he chose the wrong sport. Constant huge upsets... bronze medals... underachievements...

He realized he NEEDED ridiculous WWE style tag team help to win. A simple 2nd option wasn't viable. It needed to be MVP. With at least All Star on the side.

And even after that, he still lost to a hungrier, more organic team in the Dallas Mavericks.

And then again to an ancient Spurs team whose never touched their 2014 success since.

Lebron:
2004 - choked the gold medal away
2006 - choked the gold medal away
2007 - choked and swept the title away
2008 - choked the gold medal away
2008 - bailed out by kobe in the gold medal game
2010 - Quit
2011 - choked the finals away
2012 - prime colluded ring
2012 - lockout ring
2013 - prime colluded ring
2013 - bail out by ray allen
2014 - choked the finals away to an air conditioner
2014 - Quit
2015 - choked the finals away shooting 25% beyond 5 feet vs a role player
2016 - choked game 7 away in the last 5 minutes
2016 - bail out by kyrie irving
2016 - prime colluded ring
2017 - choked game 3 away and the series
2018 - choked game 1 of OT and game 3 away
2018 - Quit
2019 - No Playoffs with the winniest franchise all time.
2020 - Anthony Davis leads teams in Win Shares and Scoring.

[Shooter]

[SouBeachTalents]

How is it even possible to lose a 3-1 lead to 7'1 Windhorst?

[SouBeachTalents]

Very astute timeline.

I think 2010 was the breaking point where Lebron realized he chose the wrong sport. Constant huge upsets... bronze medals... underachievements...

He realized he NEEDED ridiculous WWE style tag team help to win. A simple 2nd option wasn't viable. It needed to be MVP. With at least All Star on the side.

And even after that, he still lost to a hungrier, more organic team in the Dallas Mavericks.

And then again to an ancient Spurs team whose never touched their 2014 success since.

[Axe]

Lebron:
2004 - choked the gold medal away
2006 - choked the gold medal away
2007 - choked and swept the title away
2008 - choked the gold medal away
2008 - bailed out by kobe in the gold medal game
2010 - Quit
2011 - choked the finals away
2012 - prime colluded ring
2012 - lockout ring
2013 - prime colluded ring
2013 - bail out by ray allen
2014 - choked the finals away to an air conditioner
2014 - Quit
2015 - choked the finals away shooting 25% beyond 5 feet vs a role player
2016 - choked game 7 away in the last 5 minutes
2016 - bail out by kyrie irving
2016 - prime colluded ring
2017 - choked game 3 away and the series
2018 - choked game 1 of OT and game 3 away
2018 - Quit
2019 - No Playoffs with the winniest franchise all time.
2020 - Anthony Davis leads teams in Win Shares and Scoring.

Kewl.

[HylianNightmare]

No they weren't that good, people were thinking they would lose to the Iggy Sixers in round 1. Also they didn't even have Jameer Nelson.

Nonone thought they'd lose to.philly. we owned the cars in the regular season that year too. Dwight ate up big z and vereflop

[kawhileonard2]

How is it even possible to lose a 3-1 lead to 7'1 Windhorst?

Dwight never lost that lead to Lebron even without HCA while Lebron had HCA in that series.

[kawhileonard2]

Dwight lost to Joe Johnson in the playoffs while having HCA but yet beat Lebron without it.

[Airupthere]

at choked finals away to air conditioner in 2014

[red1]

very dishonest posting from 3ball as per usual.


pippen and lebron vs mj's competition = 7 rings.



baldan never did what pippen could - win 50 games.


its natural to conclude that baldan held pippen back.

[ArbitraryWater]

That 2009 magic team was legit

Lakers would have lost if the Magic hadnt converted simple basketball plays:

Lee layup, Howard FT or Nelson backing off of Fisher

[3ball]

very dishonest posting from 3ball as per usual.


pippen and lebron vs mj's competition = 7 rings.



baldan never did what pippen could - win 50 games.


its natural to conclude that baldan held pippen back.

1) how can lebron win with pippen when pippen requires the #1 option to average 10-20 more in the Finals, while Lebron only won with an equal-scoring teammate (16' 20', 11') or averaged only 5 more (12', 13')?

2) How could lebron win with Pippen when pippen requires the #1 option to shoot high volume and lebron can't do that efficiently?

3) How can lebron win with a weak-shooting ball-handler like Pippen, when he destroyed other ball-handlers like Hughes, Ingram, IT, and Rose?

4) Everyone in history that won 3 Finals needed a teammate to win FMVP or average 25 ppg for at least one of the Finals - but Pippen was 0/6 in FMVP and peaked at 21 ppg, so only MJ could win 3 with pippen

5) Everyone in history needed an equal-scoring teammate for half their rings (1b)...... except MJ, who won with a true 2nd option that always averaged far less... This matters because equal-scoring teammates attract equal defensive attention.. so only MJ faced "1-man team" coverage for his entire career, therefore giving him maximum ring quality and stat quality

[light]

That can happen when your #2 and #3 are Mo Williams and Delonte West.

It's incredible that LeBron carried them that far.

[3ball]

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