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Local High School Star
Re: If Jordan didn't get hurt in 2002
Jordan should have stayed retired . I get that he wanted to prove something it didn't work to well tho
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Re: If Jordan didn't get hurt in 2002
Originally Posted by 2much_knowledge
Thats one of the biggest what ifs in history
Based on facts and no dumb opinions
26 - 20 record with Hamilton missing 5 weeks
They went 15 - 1 the last 16 games they played together healthy (2nd place in the East)
Pre injury numbers: 25.1 , 6.2 , 5.3 , 1.5 , 0.5 42%fg
Only player to manage those numbers? Prime Tmac
39 y/o rusty and dealing with tendinitis in the wrist and both knees and fluid drained multiple times
2002 is a credit to goatness
Would have love to see how a full healthy season with a healthy hamilton would have played out. Maybe we got that Mj vs Kobe matchup
Let it go. Even head Jordan extremist Skip Bayless admits that his Wizards years were a mistake.
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Decent college freshman
Re: If Jordan didn't get hurt in 2002
Originally Posted by TheGoatest
Let it go. Even head Jordan extremist Skip Bayless admits that his Wizards years were a mistake.
How is it a mistake when he did all this before his injury? He proved he could hand with prime A.I, Carter, Kobe, Tmac, Allen and Spree. What happened after the injury is irrelevant and had nothing to do with his ability
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Re: If Jordan didn't get hurt in 2002
Originally Posted by 2much_knowledge
How is it a mistake when he did all this before his injury? He proved he could hand with prime A.I, Carter, Kobe, Tmac, Allen and Spree. What happened after the injury is irrelevant and had nothing to do with his ability
I wouldn't say a mistake but I would say irrelevant to his main body of work, in that it does not add nor diminish his legacy. You would hardly think of MJ as a Wizard.
However, his years as a wizard provide interesting proof of what a prime Jordan could do in an era where it was toughest to score.
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Re: If Jordan didn't get hurt in 2002
Karl Malone made the playoffs at the same age in the same era while posting superior numbers. And he was playing in the much tougher conference, and not the conferences with the two #1 seeds with the lowest amount of wins in the 3 point line era, like Jordan was in 2001-02 and 2002-03.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: If Jordan didn't get hurt in 2002
Originally Posted by Airupthere
I wouldn't say a mistake but I would say irrelevant to his main body of work, in that it does not add nor diminish his legacy. You would hardly think of MJ as a Wizard.
However, his years as a wizard provide interesting proof of what a prime Jordan could do in an era where it was toughest to score.
The Wizards totally diminished Jordan's legacy because it took the mystique away
Knowledgeable fans understand his Wizards performance was infact amazing as the OP points out, but many young fans ONLY saw him as a Wizard and think he was overrated
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Banned
Re: If Jordan didn't get hurt in 2002
Jordan smoked too many cigars and drank way too much to have epic longevity. His drive alone couldn't save his soft tissue.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: If Jordan didn't get hurt in 2002
Originally Posted by DoctorP
Jordan smoked too many cigars and drank way too much to have epic longevity. His drive alone couldn't save his soft tissue.
Naw, it's just the rules - he wasn't allowed to go from HS to the pros, so that robbed 3 seasons from him, and he wasn't hurt in 94' - he voluntarily retired and didn't have to.. so that's 5 more seasons on top of the 13 goat ones he already had..
then he added a couple more all-star seasons as a Wizard with better PER than rookie Lebron
So his longevity was great, but he was either too good to play (94'), or discriminated against (not allowed to go pro from HS)
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NBA Superstar
Re: If Jordan didn't get hurt in 2002
Originally Posted by 3ball
The Wizards totally diminished Jordan's legacy because it took the mystique away
Knowledgeable fans understand his Wizards performance was infact amazing as the OP points out, but many young fans ONLY saw him as a Wizard and think he was overrated
That may be true but it doesn't take away from the fact MJ was so desperate for casuals to either forget or not know about that part of his career that he created The Last Dance to pull to pull the wool over their eyes.
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Boom Baby!
Re: If Jordan didn't get hurt in 2002
On the topic of the Wizards whatever happened to Courtney Alexander? He was a young athletic and talented guy. Looked it up and he was traded in Jordans 2nd year with the Wizards I wonder why.
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Serious playground baller
Re: If Jordan didn't get hurt in 2002
More revisionist rubbish. Jordan was past it in Washington. If bullets were to make playoffs Jordan needed to take backseat to Rip then Stackhouse.
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Bran Fam Member
Re: If Jordan didn't get hurt in 2002
Originally Posted by aceman
More revisionist rubbish. Jordan was past it in Washington. If bullets were to make playoffs Jordan needed to take backseat to Rip then Stackhouse.
Not in '02. They were sitting at 27-27 with MJ averaging 25/6/5. Wizards were 30 - 30 on the season with Jordan & 7 - 15 without him.
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NBA Legend
Re: If Jordan didn't get hurt in 2002
Originally Posted by Airupthere
I wouldn't say a mistake but I would say irrelevant to his main body of work, in that it does not add nor diminish his legacy. You would hardly think of MJ as a Wizard.
However, his years as a wizard provide interesting proof of what a prime Jordan could do in an era where it was toughest to score.
It most certainly diminished it. It shows he could have kept playing for the Bulls and try to defend his title in 1999 but chose to quit instead.
What league MVP and FMVP does that????
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Re: If Jordan didn't get hurt in 2002
The only thing good for Jordan that came out of his Wizards years is that he was able to get 3000+ career points more and pass the 30K mark.
If he hadn't done that, then we would be anticipating whether Carmelo Anthony would pass him in career points by the time his career ends.
This way we only have to discuss whether Durant and/or Harden will pass him in career points. Which is still pretty embarrassing for a "GOAT", just not as embarrassing as Carmelo.
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