2018 Celtics were a weaker team than the 89' Cavs or Knicks (that pre-title mj beat)

[3ball]

The OP will be in a lot more pain in 3 months. LeCinco incoming!

Lebron winning more chips will bolster the case because it provides more evidence of him being carried to titles (compared to Jordan)

This year would be his 3rd ring with an equal-scoring partner and the most he ever averaged more than his sidekick in a winning Finals was 5 points

So he never had to win like Jordan, and each ring demonstrates this clearly

People will delve into the details if lebron starts to match MJ in rings.. and the details is where mj fans shine because the facts are on our side... :

[Ainosterhaspie]

Notice how 3ball is using the same smoke and mirrors tactics as he did in the other thread. Rather than discussing the actual performance of the teams involved, he uses proxies.

The Cavs were veterans. Doesn't matter if they were the second worst defense in the league. Doesn't matter if they only had one double digit scorer to support LeBron. They were veterans you see so their actual lousy performance against the Celtics is better than the '89 Bulls supporting cast's actual strong performance against the Cavaliers and even stronger performance against the Knicks.

Doesn't matter if Jordan's cast was the #11 defense in the league, and they had three double digit scorers besides MJ with Pippen scoring more than Love both against the Cavs and Knicks. They were young so the combined 45.6 ppg from Jordan's four highest scoring teammates against the Cavss and more against the knicks is somehow less help than the combined 39.4 ppg LeBron's four highest scoring teammates put in.

You see being a veteran magically makes less point more valuable than more points scored by young guys. Being a veteran means crappy defense is good. Being young means good defense isn't.

[dankok8]

Lebron winning more chips will bolster the case because it provides more evidence of him being carried to titles (compared to Jordan)

This year would be his 3rd ring with an equal-scoring partner

He never had to win like Jordan, and each ring demonstrates this clearly

People will start to delve into the details if lebron starts to match MJ in rings.. and the details is where mj fans shine because the facts are on our side

You better believe that if Lebron ties Jordan in rings let alone surpasses him a lot of people will switch over to his side.

[jlip]

Is 3ball on the ish payroll?

I've been seriously wondering this myself, because I can't fathom why he is not permanently banned.

[AirBonner]

No Pip no chip

[tpols]

Is anyone saying the 2018 Celtics minus Hayward/Kyrie were better than the '89 Cavs, though?

Yes the bron kiddie stans have been saying that. There's long threads on the matter. It speaks to Lebrons level as a player that he could be expected to lose to rookie tatum, brown, and terry rozier when he has a prime all star all nba talent and a bunch of very good veteran role players and snipers on his side. The GOAT would never be expected to lose to a bunch of rookies under such circumstances, but alas it makes sense he is nowhere near GOAT.

[mehyaM24]

jordan lost to the 88 pistons who were 54-28 (#3 in DRTG)
for the series, jordan averaged 27/9/5 on 49% shooting from the field

lebron beat the celtics in 2018 who were 55-27 (#1 in DRTG)
for the series, lebron averaged 34/9/8 on 52% shooting from the field

jordan's OWN track record is why making the 18 finals wouldn't be guaranteed.

[tpols]

jordan lost to the 88 pistons who were 54-28 (#3 in DRTG)
for the series, jordan averaged 27/9/5 on 49% shooting from the field

lebron beat the celtics in 2018 who were 55-27 (#1 in DRTG)
for the series, lebron averaged 34/9/8 on 52% shooting from the field

jordan's OWN track record is why making the 18 finals wouldn't be guaranteed.

So your comparing the dynasty pistons to the rookie celtics? Thats why you guys cant be taken seriously.

[mehyaM24]

So your comparing the dynasty pistons to the rookie celtics? Thats why you guys cant be taken seriously.

i'm using team record just like the op. what's the big deal?

the 88 pistons werent a "dynasty" either - they lost that year.

[tpols]

i'm using team record just like the op. what's the big deal?

the 88 pistons werent a "dynasty" either - they lost that year.

They lost in the Finals to the dynasty Lakers featuring Magic, Worthy, and Kareem in a brutal 7 game series.



And were one phantom call away on KAJ from beating them in 6 games. But "they lost that year" so they were trash right? This might be one of the worst comparisons I've ever seen... that you would even have the balls to say the rookie 2018 celtics were better than the late 80s Detroit Pistons. You fellas are reaching new lows.

[3ball]

i'm using team record just like the op. what's the big deal?

the 88 pistons werent a "dynasty" either - they lost that year.

It's clear that:

89' Cavs > 18' Celtics

and it was pre-title Jordan that beat those Cavs with no help and a rookie team, while lebron was a veteran champion with a veteran champion team when he beat the rookie Celtics

[3ball]

Yes the bron kiddie stans have been saying that. There's long threads on the matter. It speaks to Lebrons level as a player that he could be expected to lose to rookie tatum, brown, and terry rozier when he has a prime all star all nba talent and a bunch of very good veteran role players and snipers on his side. The GOAT would never be expected to lose to a bunch of rookies under such circumstances, but alas it makes sense he is nowhere near GOAT.

Champion Jordan wouldn't need help like that to beat the 18' Celtics because pre-title Jordan was already beating a much better team (89' Cavs) with a sophomore low seed

[ShawkFactory]

Soooo...the 89 Cavs were better than the 2018 Celtics. And...?

Is the point that Jordan beat a team once that was better than a team lebron beat one time?

I don’t get it.

[mehyaM24]

They lost in the Finals to the dynasty Lakers featuring Magic, Worthy, and Kareem in a brutal 7 game series.



And were one phantom call away on KAJ from beating them in 6 games. But "they lost that year" so they were trash right? This might be one of the worst comparisons I've ever seen... that you would even have the balls to say to rookie 2018 celtics were better than the late 80s Detroit Pistons. You fellas are reaching new lows.

i'm literally comparing team record just like the op. but you're only whining because it trumps his argument.

and gaslighting your point doesn't make it more true. nobody said they were "trash" pal. again, detroit hadn't won a championship and LOST THAT YEAR. that isn't a dynasty.

[3ball]

So your comparing the dynasty pistons to the rookie celtics? Thats why you guys cant be taken seriously.

Lol absurd