It's time to admit the 16' Warriors weren't that good & simply had strategy because..

[3ball]

Klay doesn't turn this borderline playoff team into a 73-win team, so it was just the strategy edge that the league caught up to.

The 16' Warriors style is now the league standard

So Curry is just a 3-point shooter that benefits from the format and the 16' Warriors weren't that good - they just had a short-lived strategy edge and needed KD to actually win

Btw, don't pretend the other pieces like Harrison Barnes were the difference.. system bums like Dray and other role players thrived under the new strategy advantage but now look bummy without the strategy edge
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[tpols]

They are also missing Bogut (playoff blocks leader and best defensive metrics in the NBA at the time), Iggy and much better role players ~ Livingston, Barbosa, etc. Plus Curry was playing 80 games back then, he's already missed 8 games this year in a shortened season. It was their chemistry though that made them special. They dont have any chemistry right now.

Another note dray was playing way better back then. He was scoring triple the amount of points in 2016 compared to this year which is very strange since they need it more now than ever. His scoring ability just fell off a cliff since that year for no discernable reason. He still gets the same open looks off curry doubles, but always passes even if he has a wide open look he'll dish it to somebody whose covered. I guess when klay was there that worked but with oubre, bazemore, and wiggins it doesn't work because they suck at shooting 3s compared to him.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

They are just a well balanced team. Similar to why those 2008 Celtics were so good.

Two goat level shooters in curry/klay and two goat level defenders in draymond/iggy all in their primes. Draymond is a great passer and is like the Kevin Garnett of the team, while curry/klay are Paul pierce and ray allen.

People exaggerate how good curry is for sure though. He needs the perfect team around him. Look at him this season, he's a pathetic 10th seed all season.

But Durant played with an MVP in Westbrook who was just as impactful on the advanced stats as him while they played together from 2014-2016 and still won jack shit.

[3ball]

They are also missing Bogut (playoff blocks leader and best defensive metrics in the NBA at the time), Iggy and much better role players ~ Livingston, Barbosa, etc. Plus Curry was playing 80 games back then, he's already missed 8 games this year in a shortened season. It was their chemistry though that made them special. They dont have any chemistry right now.

Another note dray was playing way better back then. He was scoring triple the amount of points in 2016 compared to this year which is very strange since they need it more now than ever. His scoring ability just fell off a cliff since that year for no discernable reason. He still gets the same open looks off curry doubles, but always passes even if he has a wide open look he'll dish it to somebody whose covered. I guess when klay was there that worked but with oubre, bazemore, and wiggins it doesn't work because they suck at shooting 3s compared to him.

Gimme a break

when people try to lionize some 8 ppg player to make their point - it's a weak, losing argument

And everyone on that team was playing better because they had a strategy edge.. so of course a system bum like Dray would look better... So again, it was just a strategy edge

[Bronbron23]

Klay doesn't turn this borderline playoff team into a 73-win team, so it was just the strategy edge that the league caught up to.

The 16' Warriors style is now the league standard

So Curry is just a 3-point shooter that benefits from the format and the 16' Warriors weren't that good - they just had a short-lived strategy edge and needed KD to actually win

Btw, don't pretend the other pieces like Harrison Barnes were the difference

I don't know man. Yeah the league has adjusted since then so that definitely plays a part. That team was pretty good though. Klay definitely makes a huge difference on both ends. Draymond was also much better in 16 and there bench was also much better. That 16 team in 2021 is still the best regular season team in the league. They don't get 73 wins though and they probably still lose to lakers or clips.

[3ball]

I don't know man. Yeah the league has adjusted since then so that definitely plays a part. That team was pretty good though. Klay definitely makes a huge difference on both ends. Draymond was also much better in 16 and there bench was also much better. That 16 team in 2021 is still the best regular season team in the league. They don't get 73 wins though and they probably still lose to lakers or clips.

Indeed, once the strategy edge wore off, Dray and other role players look like the bummy players they are

So your point that system bums like Dray and other role players thrived under the new strategy advantage only makes my point that it was just a short-lived strategy edge

[GrayGoat]

LeBron won because he can do everything really well. You notice now the league is shifting to players being good at multiple things. Example: Celtics forcing and encouraging Tatum and brown to have more playmaking duties

[tpols]

Of course having iggy and bogut mattered. You saw what happened when they got hurt... LeBron and Kyrie put up Wilt lines after being shut down in the first 4 games which you have constantly referenced ~ LeBron scored only 24 ppg w/ 6 TO's and then they lost dray, bogut, and iggy pulled his back leaving the game. How could that not matter?

And the offense was a much better machine, they lost a ton of high IQ players. Dray is getting the same looks he got in 2016 today, he's just not taking the shots. His offense has totally regressed on its own merit.

[SouBeachTalents]

I'd like to see OP explain this



I'd like to see how many teams in history have ever put together a run like that, let alone one missing a top 2-3 player in the league

[Bronbron23]

Indeed, once the strategy edge wore off, Dray and other role players look like the bummy players they are

So your point that system bums like Dray and other role players thrived under the new strategy advantage only makes my point that it was just a short-lived strategy edge

I don't think that's the case with dray though. It's not new strategy is stopping him. Dude is literally left wide open a thousand times a game. He just can't shoot anymore. He used to hit wide open threes consistently enough to where you couldn't just leave him open all the time.

Not sure who the other players your talking about are. Steph is still killing it and klay woukd be too if he was playing. Who else is really left?

[3ball]

I'd like to see OP explain this



I'd like to see how many teams in history have ever put together a run like that, let alone one missing a top 2-3 player in the league

You must not think strategy exists

It does exist, and when 1 team has a monopoly on the best strategy, they will look amazing

Bums like Dray will thrive and look great

But once that strategy edge is gone - it's gone and now the Warriors are a pedestrian, ordinary team

Curry's still good though - it's his gimmick/format the league is using

[tpols]

I'd like to see OP explain this



I'd like to see how many teams in history have ever put together a run like that, let alone one missing a top 2-3 player in the league

Yup and that was after the league caught up. KD turned them into AAU style and when he would leave they would revert back to GOAT teamwork.

[3ball]

Yup and that was after the league caught up. KD turned them into AAU style and when he would leave they would revert back to GOAT teamwork.

Strategy doesn't need talent to win

That's the whole point

It shouldn't surprise anyone that the first-movers in the 3-point game looked amazing regardless who was out there..

Or maybe you think klay can actually go 31-1 by himself

[Smoke117]

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[GrayGoat]

Yup and that was after the league caught up. KD turned them into AAU style and when he would leave they would revert back to GOAT teamwork.

KD made it so LeBron doesn’t 3-peat