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	I said offense. Obviously MJ, LeBron Kareem and others are better because of defense.
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by Bronbron23   This is a joke right? 
	
	
		
			
			
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					  Originally Posted by tpols   The thing that baffles my mind is he says curry should play more like Reggie Miller... He literally plays exactly like Reggie but with a more complicated route tree. And the ability to dribble through traffic and finish every type of reverse layup imaginable. 
 Will no one address the substance?
 
 Today's strategy allows 3-point shooters to stand and wait for kickouts, thus adding to the attempts they already get off screens - if Curry didn't get those kickout attempts and only got threes by running off screens like Reggie Miller, he would barely get off 5 theees a game and wouldn't be an elite producer.. Curry needs maximum 3-point attempts to have elite stats, and only today's drive-and-kick strategy provides these attempts.
 
	
	
		
			
			
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	George McCloud got off ~8 threes a game in the 90s lol.
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by 3ball   Will no one address the substance?
 Today's strategy allows 3-point shooters to stand and wait for kickouts, thus adding to the attempts they already get off screens - if Curry didn't get those kickout attempts and had to run off screens with a defender stuck to him like Reggie Miller, he would barely get off 5 theees a game..
 
	
	
		
		
			
				
				
				
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	Your argument means absolutely not nothing unless you can statistically back up the percentage of Stephs shots that are kick outs.
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by 3ball   Will no one address the substance?
 Today's strategy allows 3-point shooters to stand and wait for kickouts, thus adding to the attempts they already get off screens - if Curry didn't get those kickout attempts and had to run off screens with a defender stuck to him like Reggie Miller, he would barely get off 5 theees a game..
 
	
	
		
		
			
				
				
				
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	Bird was a very good defensive player too and a solid leader. He was also extremely clutch. His body just didn't last very long unfortunately and had to retire bit early
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by RRR3   Oh **** I actually didn’t I just forgot he played peak Bird.  I could actually argue Curry is better than Bird peak for peak tbh.  I’m aware Curry has had his bad moments in the playoffs but so did Bird. In Bird’s defense he was used poorly considering how good of a shooter he was due to playing in a time where the 3 wasn’t valued nearly enough. His impact today could be even higher considering this. Still, I am really high on Curry despite the fact that I can’t stand him. Idk if people will ever realize how good he is (no I’m not talking about casual idiots who call him the GOAT). 
	
	
		
			
			
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	Dude Curry runs off screens all game long. He's the best assist target of all time... basically the randy moss of basketball. Crack is wack bro. When you say retarded shit like this it makes your valid points look weak.
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by 3ball   Will no one address the substance?
 Today's strategy allows 3-point shooters to stand and wait for kickouts, thus adding to the attempts they already get off screens - if Curry didn't get those kickout attempts and only got threes by running off screens like Reggie Miller, he would barely get off 5 theees a game and wouldn't be an elite producer.. Curry needs maximum 3-point attempts to have elite stats, and only today's drive-and-kick strategy provides these attempts.
 
	
	
		
			
			
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					  Originally Posted by ShawkFactory   Your argument means absolutely not nothing unless you can statistically back up the percentage of Stephs shots that are kick outs. NBA.COM STATS: PLAY TYPE
 
 Spot up........... 20-27% of plays
 Off-Screen........ 2-8% of plays
 
 
 
 In previous eras, it's probably reversed - more off-screen than spot-up..
 
 High screen, drive-and-kick didn't exist in the 90's.. D'Antoni started it, and the Warriors added wrinkles and made the strategy sophisticated - now it's the standard of the whole league.
 
 The drive-and-kick starts the ball movement, so guys like Curry can pad their 3-point attempts and get easier scoring opportunities than if their wasn't spacing strategy.
 
	
	
		
			
			
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	lol @ calling Curry one dimensional. He's also an all-time great ball-handler & can finish around the rim. We have never seen a guard score the way he does on such high efficiency, he blows everyone away.
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by 3ball   He relies on today's high-screen, drive-and-kick strategy.
 This strategy allows 3-point shooters to stand and wait for kickouts, thus adding to the attempts they get off-the-dribble or off screens - if Curry had to run off screens with a defender stuck to him like Reggie Miller had to do, he would barely get off 5 theees a game..
 
 Curry actually took 5 threes a game for 3 straight years and was a 19 ppg scorer, but then the league strategy became the aforementioned 3-point contest, which allowed Curry's production to reach elite levels.
 
 Ultimately, he's just a 3-point shooter, so he's 1-dimensional.
 
	
	
		
		
			
				
				
				
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	He isn't better than mj offensively. Curry has 2 scoring titles mj has a shit ton. Mj scored more in the playoffs and finals in a way tougher defensive era. He has no argument what so ever against mj.
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by RRR3   I said offense. Obviously MJ, LeBron Kareem and others are better because of defense. 
	
	
		
		
			
				
				
				
					 Re: Curry is the most overrated player in history
					
						
							
	So you gave the NBA numbers. Not Stephs.
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by 3ball   NBA.COM STATS: PLAY TYPE
Spot up........... 20-27% of plays
Off-Screen ........ 2-8% of plays
 
In previous eras, it's probably reversed - more off-screen than spot-up.. 
 
High screen, drive-and-kick didn't exist in the 90's.. D'Antoni started it, and the Warriors added wrinkles and made the strategy sophisticated - now it's the standard of the whole league.
 
The drive-and-kick starts the ball movement, so guys like Curry can pad their 3-point attempts and get easier scoring opportunities than if their wasn't spacing strategy. 
 You’re making a blind inference based on something you truly don’t know. Steph is different
 
	
	
		
			
			
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					  Originally Posted by tpols   Dude Curry runs off screens all game long. He's the best assist target of all time... basically the randy moss of basketball. Crack is wack bro. When you say retarded shit like this it makes your valid points look weak. It's pretty stupid to pretend that today's offensive strategies don't get Curry and all of today's players more threes
 
 Curry's attempts went from Reggie Miller level to much higher around 2014 when the league strategy changed to a 3-point contest.
 
 It's like you guys don't understand basketball at all - you think guys just started taking more threes because they felt like it???... It was designed, aka coaching...aka X's and O's... That's why today's game is a 3-point contest
 
	
	
		
			
			
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	MJ scored more because he shot more. Curry just had a better scoring season than MJ ever did considering efficiency.
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by Bronbron23   He isn't better than mj offensively. Curry has 2 scoring titles mj has a shit ton. Mj scored more in the playoffs and finals in a way tougher defensive era. He has no argument what so ever against mj. 
	
	
		
			
			
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					 Re: Curry is the most overrated player in history
					
						
							
	People can actually hit 3s in this era, unlike the 90's where they had to shorten the 3 point line cause of lack of shooting.
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by 3ball   It's pretty stupid to pretend that today's offensive strategies don't get Curry and all of today's players more threes
 Curry's attempts went from Reggie Miller level to much higher around 2014 when the league strategy changed to a 3-point contest.
 
 It's like you guys don't understand basketball at all - you think guys just started taking more threes because they felt like it.. It was designed, aka coaching...aka X's and O's... That's why today's game is a 3-point contest
   
	
	
		
			
			
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					  Originally Posted by 1987_Lakers   People can actually hit 3s in this era, unlike the 90's where they had to shorten the 3 point line cause of lack of shooting.   So why wasn't Curry taking 10 threes a game in 2012?
 
 Why the sudden jump ALONG WITH EVERYONE ELSE
 
 y"all are just dumb
 
 The league format/strategy changed dummy
 
 
	
	
 
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
		
		
			
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