PG13: Ayton is more agile, more of a presence down low and better finisher than Rudy

[Carbine]

How can you say Gobert on the Sun's and they're still winning?

The Clippers had tremdous success against Gobert, why would that all of a sudden change? When he gets isolated against perimeter players, that's going to translate regardless of who he plays with. Clippers would pick on him with the Sun's just as they did when he plays with the Jazz. The point is he can't hide which is a ****ed thing to say about a DPOY. It's a joke really.

[Carbine]

Yet he didn’t receive a single vote for all defensive team. I guess you watch more basketball than the people who vote. Interesting. And no a players post season performance doesn’t just negate a seasons worth of sample size. Want to argue he’s playing better defensively in the post season than Rudy has? Fine go for it. Doesn’t mean he’s better. I don’t why fans allow the playoffs to overrate a players game. But here we are...

These same people voted Kobe all defense when he was at best an average defender. I don't base my opinion on what other people think. You shouldn't either.

I don't value regular season play. It's a long season, teams take nights off, there are a lot of crap teams out there. It's all about the playoffs for me. Jordan isn't Jordan because of what he did in the regular season. If you continue to play below expectations in the playoffs as a player you are ultimately getting exposed for your weaknesses that otherwise don't get picked on or highlighted in the regular season.

[Xiao Yao You]

How can you say Gobert on the Sun's and they're still winning?

The Clippers had tremdous success against Gobert, why would that all of a sudden change? When he gets isolated against perimeter players, that's going to translate regardless of who he plays with. Clippers would pick on him with the Sun's just as they did when he plays with the Jazz. The point is he can't hide which is a ****ed thing to say about a DPOY. It's a joke really.

https://saltcityhoops.com/what-we-re...rsus-clippers/

[Xiao Yao You]

These same people voted Kobe all defense when he was at best an average defender. I don't base my opinion on what other people think. You shouldn't either.

I don't value regular season play. It's a long season, teams take nights off, there are a lot of crap teams out there. It's all about the playoffs for me. Jordan isn't Jordan because of what he did in the regular season. If you continue to play below expectations in the playoffs as a player you are ultimately getting exposed for your weaknesses that otherwise don't get picked on or highlighted in the regular season.

You have to get to the playoffs first.

[GOBB]

These same people voted Kobe all defense when he was at best an average defender. I don't base my opinion on what other people think. You shouldn't either.

I don't value regular season play. It's a long season, teams take nights off, there are a lot of crap teams out there. It's all about the playoffs for me. Jordan isn't Jordan because of what he did in the regular season. If you continue to play below expectations in the playoffs as a player you are ultimately getting exposed for your weaknesses that otherwise don't get picked on or highlighted in the regular season.

Shut the hell up. You have absolutely no valid proof ayton is a better defender because of a series where Rudy was taken advantage of on the perimeter. You fans kill me with this nonsense. Trae > Curry. Let’s start this one up as well since playoff matters.

MJ regular season was dominant. I guess his all nba selections, mvp, scoring titles, scoring avg, career points mean little vs his 6 rings. Gotcha.

[Xiao Yao You]

Shut the hell up. You have absolutely no valid proof ayton is a better defender because of a series where Rudy was taken advantage of on the perimeter. You fans kill me with this nonsense. Trae > Curry. Let’s start this one up as well since playoff matters.

MJ regular season was dominant. I guess his all nba selections, mvp, scoring titles, scoring avg, career points mean little vs his 6 rings. Gotcha.

Mitchell > Malone/Stockton/Maravich/Dantley/Gobert/Deron Williams!

[Norcaliblunt]

Ayton is better now and will only continue to be better. Gobert is a stiff whos been exposed. Who cares about individual awards in a team sport? Ayton is a team player.

When it’s all said and done the only thing Gobert is gonna be remembered for is that Covid BS.

[Xiao Yao You]

Ayton is better now and will only continue to be better. Gobert is a stiff whos been exposed. Who cares about individual awards in a team sport? Ayton is a team player.

When it’s all said and done the only thing Gobert is gonna be remembered for is that Covid BS.

The leader in screen assists, 3 time DPOY, 5 time all defense, 5th all time rebound % isn't a team player? Pretty sure he'll be remembered. The Trump virus BS is already a small footnote

[Carbine]

Shut the hell up. You have absolutely no valid proof ayton is a better defender because of a series where Rudy was taken advantage of on the perimeter. You fans kill me with this nonsense. Trae > Curry. Let’s start this one up as well since playoff matters.

MJ regular season was dominant. I guess his all nba selections, mvp, scoring titles, scoring avg, career points mean little vs his 6 rings. Gotcha.

It's sports, what proof do I need. This isn't the justice system. It's my opinion based on what I see.

MJ regular season is dominant, no question about it. But he became a better player in the playoffs.

Defense isn't or shouldn't be one of those things that come and go. For Gobert, he has been grilled too many times in the last few post seasons that you have to call it for what it is.

[GOBB]

It's sports, what proof do I need. This isn't the justice system. It's my opinion based on what I see.

MJ regular season is dominant, no question about it. But he became a better player in the playoffs.

Defense isn't or shouldn't be one of those things that come and go. For Gobert, he has been grilled too many times in the last few post seasons that you have to call it for what it is.

Hilarious because any other time you’re sitting there with proof out the ass. Stats, quotes etc

Now it’s “my opinion”. Ignore the sample size of Ayton in 3 seasons as a defender. Solely focus on the post season (his first). Got it. So logical. If you want to call out Rudy on his post season defense? By all means rock out. What we not gonna do is continue to be prisoners in the f*cking moment saying outlandish shit like Ayton is a better defender.

[Norcaliblunt]

Hilarious because any other time you’re sitting there with proof out the ass. Stats, quotes etc

Now it’s “my opinion”. Ignore the sample size of Ayton in 3 seasons as a defender. Solely focus on the post season (his first). Got it. So logical. If you want to call out Rudy on his post season defense? By all means rock out. What we not gonna do is continue to be prisoners in the f*cking moment saying outlandish shit like Ayton is a better defender.

The thing is if you actually watch the games it’s not that outlandish. Ayton doesn’t get exposed on the perimeter like Gobert. He can switch and is effective. Which can make him more valuable and yes maybe better. Simple as that.

You’re the one living in the past. The future is now and now is Ayton.

[Xiao Yao You]

The thing is if you actually watch the games it’s not that outlandish. Ayton doesn’t get exposed on the perimeter like Gobert. He can switch and is effective. Which can make him more valuable and yes maybe better. Simple as that.

You’re the one living in the past. The future is now and now is Ayton.

If you watched the games you'd see that Ayton has a better team around him and a better coach

[GOBB]

The thing is if you actually watch the games it’s not that outlandish. Ayton doesn’t get exposed on the perimeter like Gobert. He can switch and is effective. Which can make him more valuable and yes maybe better. Simple as that.

You’re the one living in the past. The future is now and now is Ayton.

You and other idiots like carbine have trouble comprehending playing better and being better are not one in the same. You can not go an entire regular season without ANYONE recognizing you’re a good defender. Then come playoffs become a better defender than guys who were recognized (with stats to back them up) for being better defenders. Doesn’t work that way. People who dismiss regular season and start their whole evaluation and assessing process in the post season are flawed as hell.

This is a classic case of a pile on event. I’m not the biggest fan of Rudy Gobert but I’m not going to say nonsense just because it’s the trendy thing to do. Which is saying Ayton is a better defender. Want to say he’s played better defense? Again rock out. But you expose your bball knowledge by believing the crap you type. Everyone wants to be “that guy”. Everyone wants to appear smarter than the other. Cut it out.

“Look at me I don’t value no one else’s opinions but my own. I stand on my own two. I conclude what I see and go from there. I don’t allow outside influences to change how I feel about my opinion. I’m my own man”.

But you spend countless time out of your life arguing who is a better player in whatever sport based on accolades picked by other people’s opinions. Weirdos.

[Carbine]

I don't think I've used stats to debate who was a better player in 5 years. Miss me with that narrative GoBB.

[Snow]

What happened to all that Ayton love?

Smoke117 was the voice of reason in this thread