Parish, Worthy, or Klay could still dominate as 3rd option and were still stars

[3ba11]

So why did Love and Bosh become BUMMY ROLE PLAYERS alongside Lebron if he elevates guys - everyone thought they sucked after playing with Lebron and they would average 12 ppg in series alongside Lebron (role players).

Why did Kuzma go from a budding star to nothing?

Why did Ingram have a 1-year drop in his 3-point efficiency, PER, BPM, WS/48 and VORP alongside Lebron, and then resume his upward trajectory upon escaping Lebron-ball?

Why did guys like Clarkson, Rose, Hughes, Jamison or Crowder kill it without Lebron but sucked alongside him?

Who did Lebron elevate - which player improved statistically during their tenure with Lebron? I think Kyrie increased his ppg by 2 points - that's the most growth anyone had alongside Lebron... How does it compare to the statistical growth that Pippen, BJ and Grant had alongside MJ?..

And teaming up with another star isn't elevating them - it's just teaming up - no one actually improved as ballplayers alongside Lebron and most were considered bums after playing with him

[SATAN]

LeBron!!

LeBron would have got Stackhouse a chip, casual.

[000]

Because Legoat is the Goat. Dont you dare say anything bad about LeKing!!! He elevates ppl like no one else and had the best finals performance when he SINGLEHANDEDLY beat 22 ppg curry. He is also the smartest playmaker ever, averaging a monstrous 7 apg in the playoffs!

[3ba11]

LeBron would have got Stackhouse a chip, casual.

Lebron's biggest carry-job ring was averaging 5 more ppg than Wade in the 12' and 13' Finals - his teammates matched or outscored him on the other championship runs..

So he never carried his team like Jordan, who averaged 10-30 more than his sidekick for every series of his career, including every Finals - it's night and day - not remotely close

[000]

LeBron would have got Stackhouse a chip, casual.

What makes stackhouse any better than antawn jamison?

[1987_Lakers]

By the time McHale hit his prime, Parish was a 16-17 ppg player, far from dominant, pretty much averaged the same points as '15-'17 Love.

[3ba11]

By the time McHale hit his prime, Parish was a 16-17 ppg player, far from dominant, pretty much averaged the same points as '15-'17 Love.

If Parish was older at the time you specified, then he was achieving his capacity alongside Bird, while prime Love cratered from top 4 in everything (PER, VORP, BPM, WS/48) to a role player.

And that's the key - Love had a role player role, while old Parish was still getting doubled on the post and still able to dominate when the Celtics needed him to - his role was far greater than Love's - Parish was still a star, so the Celtics had a far greater team ceiling

And his usage was basically the same his entire career, which is the best evidence that his role wasn't reduced alongside Bird, while Love's usage/role cratered under Lebron-ball..

[And1AllDay]

LeBron would have got Stackhouse a chip, casual.

bang!!!

[1987_Lakers]

If Parish was older at the time you specified, then he was achieving his capacity alongside Bird, while prime Love cratered from top 4 in everything (PER, VORP, BPM, WS/48) to a role player.

And that's the key - Love had a role player role, while old Parish was still getting doubled on the post and still able to dominate when the Celtics needed him to - his role was far greater than Love's - Parish was still a star, so the Celtics had a far greater team ceiling

And his usage was basically the same his entire career, which is the best evidence that his role wasn't reduced alongside Bird, while Love's usage/role cratered under Lebron-ball..

lol at you believing Parish ever demanded a double team at that time, he didn't have much post moves, he usually attempted short baseline shots & was very good in the fast break, he was limited.

[AirBonner]

I thought for sure op made a thread that didn’t involve LeBron but there he did slip it in at the end lol

[And1AllDay]

I thought for sure op made a thread that didn’t involve LeBron but there he did slip it in at the end lol

bran gottem spinnin

[StrongLurk]

Why doesn't OP talk about how Kawhi's teammates play better without him? Plenty of Raptors players had career years after Kawhi left.

Also, Paul George was at his best with Westbrook (who is a much worse version of Lebron) and fell off hard with Kawhi (similar to 96-98 MJ).

[3ba11]

Why doesn't OP talk about how Kawhi's teammates play better without him? Plenty of Raptors players had career years after Kawhi left.

Also, Paul George was at his best with Westbrook (who is a much worse version of Lebron) and fell off hard with Kawhi (similar to 96-98 MJ).

Lowry, Siakam and company were still stars and could dominate stretches when needed and everyone thought they were key players and good and viable

Otoh, everyone alongside Lebron is a role player that can average 13 ppg in a series and everyone thinks they suck and aren't playing well - it's the story of his career - he simply does NOT elevate players - he fools everyone by increasing his teammates' efficiency, but he does this by lowering their role and production...

Production is more important than efficiency - the 14' Heat had the higher efficiency against the Spurs than any Spurs opponent, but their lowest production (ppg) made them lose by record amount.

[ShawkFactory]

The thing is, we've never seen what kind of numbers prime Worthy and Parish would have put up as first options. I'm pretty sure you've made a Pippen thread before saying that if Worthy was the #1 guy he would have scored 26-28 a game and this is why he was better than 20 PPG Pippen (even though Worthy also scored 20 a game). Which, if you believe that, then the numbers he ACTUALLY put up are absolutely cratered by his role.

[3ba11]

The thing is, we've never seen what kind of numbers prime Worthy and Parish would have put up as first options. I'm pretty sure you've made a Pippen thread before saying that if Worthy was the #1 guy he would have scored 26-28 a game and this is why he was better than 20 PPG Pippen (even though Worthy also scored 20 a game). Which, if you believe that, then the numbers he ACTUALLY put up are absolutely cratered by his role.

PLAYOFFS

87' Worthy..... 24 on 59% (leading scorer on Lakers)

88' Worthy..... 21 on 52% (leading scorer and FMVP)

89' Worthy..... 25 on 57% (leading scorer)

90' Worthy..... 24 on 50% (leading scorer)



Worthy averaged 30 on 62% in the 87' WCF, or 24 on 60% in the 85' Finals.. He has a TON of series that are far better than Pippen ever played.. He averaged 23 on 72% in a series... 28 on 60%... Pippen is nowhere near Worthy... MJ/Worthy would be the same athletic wing 1-2 punch that's so devastating